Mr. Asthma

Question:

I have a question for you all.  If smoke in general bothers you in any form ( ie: disgusting ) then dont smoke or go around anyone who smokes. That would solve part of the problem. Now my question is do you or anyone in your house use or wear perfumed products ? Do you buy salads in a bag from the grocery store when you have company for dinner ? If you answered yes to either question then YOU may be the next killer. For the record I smoke, I have Asthma and I am deathly allergic to perfume and sulfa dioxide ( an ingredient in bagged salads  green ). Before you jump me for smoking with Asthma I’m not allergic to THAT type of smoke.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You (Murray Grossan, M.D.) say it is possible to be allergic to smoke (is that > smoke in general or tobacco smoke?).  I have read that tobacco smoke was an > irritant but not an allergen, however I think I might well be allergic because > I have become allergic to, in descending order of severity, potatoes, eggplant, > peppers (Capsicum genus) and tomatoes, and tobacco is in the same family, > Solanaceae.  With potatoes, in May 1996, I had spasms of the esophagus, often > for a three-hour stretch at night, had part-time itch or mild pain at the anus, > and localized but short-lived occurrences of hives.  Esophagus spasms later > switched, after I finished all the potatoes, to throat tickle with violent > coughing at night, later followed by shortness of breath.  Only way I associate > potatoes with the hives and anal itch was that these symptoms vanished after I > finished the potatoes.  These symptoms suggest allergy as opposed to mere > intolerance.  Subsequently I got delayed asthmatic reactions to eggplant, > peppers and tomatoes. > I always found tobacco smoke irritating even though I didn’t get an asthma > attack many years back, and I always thought it was disgusting to get tobacco > smoke on skin, hair and clothes.  Now staying away from tobacco smoke is a > matter of life and breath for me.  I never smoked because I always found the > smell repulsive. > (Remove "nospam" from my email address)

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Um…what are you talking about???  I have never, even once, mentioned carpet in a post.  Who are you responding to?  Furthermore, I have *never* said one single thing against HEPA air cleaners either–some people can benefit from them. (Look on Deja) Before you start setting up straw men to knock down, let me be clear for your obviously ozone-addled little morsel of a brain.  I have focused my messages to you on two predicates: Ozone-producing air cleaners are dangerous to anyone let alone persons with asthma.  I usually accompany this with numerous citations from government and health agencies. This is a support group, not a  prospect list for your private enrichment. The fact that you have the chutzpah to continue to sell ozone air cleaners in the knowledge that they are harmful (and you know–you’ve seen the citations), makes you a danger to people’s health for personal profit. You’ve never posted any evidence to refute those citations, have you barry? That’s because you know quite well of the dangers, but admitting it might cut into the profits.  Your advice to ‘turn down the ozone’ if you have asthma is just more of your dodging the truth:  Any ozone that is low enough to do no harm is too low to provide the cleaning that you claim.  Therefore, it is pointless to have an ozone cleaner. I’m always amused at your infantile name-calling and innuendo.  If I were as puerile as you, it would be offensive, but I enjoy watching the uneducated attempt wit.  It makes you seem so human… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Barry Here Of http://www.aircleaners.com Hey Allan Dont misquote me ! , I > never mentioned carpet removel in my post. But since you did mention it , I > will give  a  post back to you. Yes Carpet is altogether unhealthy crap. It > holds 8 times its weight in dust and you still wont see it. Carpet out > gasses a cocktail of chemicals that can trigger allergy and  asthma > problems. THE BIG PROBLEM IS that many people cannot afford to just rip out > their carpet and replace it with a safer product. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE > ALLAN!!  YOU MUST BE RICH ,STUPID OR BOTH!! to think that everyone that has > carpet and allergies or asthma will just naturally go and rip out aprox 2500 > square feet or more of carpet and spend thousands of dollars on new > flooring. You, Cynic and Colon must all be boyfriends! The best alternative > is to purchase good quality HEPA air cleaners with a minimum of 15 Lbs of > activated coconut carbon / zeolite blend in it. The HEPA filter will > exchange the dirty air into it to remove the allergens and the carbon blend > will absorb the outgassing chemicals in the carpet.Most Carpet outgasses at > a high rate for aprox two years. After the two years the outgassing is > greatly reduced. The smaller the room ,the greater the air exchange per hour > will be . Its best to place one unit in the bedroom or rooms if more then > one family member has allergies or asthma and mabe place one unit in the > living room area. The Best HEPA air cleaners on the market would be the > Austin Air Healthmate or Healthmate Plus and the Care 2000 units These HEPA > air cleaners will exchange the air in a average size  bedroom about 15 times > per hour . This is more then enough to keep your bedroom allergen free. > Allan ,you and your idiot boyfriends say that these HEPA air cleaners dont > work. Your all full of crap because these quality air cleaners work great. I > have sold thousands of them and everyone loves them because they help their > allergies and asthma. And its quickly obvious after just one nights sleep. > The HEPA air cleaners that Im talking about are the best. They Cost well > under $400.00.  The filter cartridge will last up to five years before they > need replacement at a cost of $145.00. They Run on 100 watts  of electricity > . It costs only about $ 40.00 per year to run each unit.  When I talk about > HEPA air cleaners ,im not talking about the cheap rip off bionairs and > honeywells that you most likely have tried. The $150.00-$200.00 Honeywell > for example costs  aprox $265.00 per year in electricity costs alone. The > crappy prefilter must be changed every two-three months at a cost between > $20.00- $30.00 per pre filter  and the HEPA Filter must be replaced every > eight or nine months at a cost of $80.00- $90.00. The units are very noisy > and the clean air is actually pushed down the floor,which kicks up more dust > into the air!  In one years time you will have spent more money on a low > quality air cleaner then on a unit that is ten times the quality in every > way!  As far as Alpine Air Purifiers Go, Yes the  ozone output should be set > at a lower level for the more sensitive people with asthma.  I have sold > hundreds of these units to people with asthma  without problems. I always > make sure that I explain the proper way to set the ozone adjustment on their > unit. These air purifiers also work well. I have never had one person tell > me that they had a reaction to ions. The reaction that you must have had was > to the uncontrolled ozone output from a needlepoint type of ionizer in a > small room . Some of the needlepoint ionizers on the market such as the > ionic breeze unit that you can find at Sharper Image, has many needlepoint > ionizers on them that will produce amounts of  ozone. If the ozone output > cannot be controlled its not as good as the quality units such as the > Alpine. The larger Alpine units actually use a patented radio ionizer that > produces no ozone at all. This ionizer will penetrate up to 50 feet right > through the walls to ionize the air into other rooms. The ozone output is > totally adjustable, but the ozone will only be put out in the room or area > that the unit is working in. The other rooms will not get any ozone at all > ,unless the unit is pointed into an air return in your ducted heating or A/C > system. I hope that this info has been a help to others on the newsgroup. I > dont expect it will help you, Allan or your boyfriends because you are > beyond help!,  Im sure that your poor response to good honest info like this > will continue! > http://asthma.miningco.com/health/asthma/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=… > www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/ps/deodc/ehlb/iaqs/ozone.htm > > In Response to Natural Born Cynic’s Ignorance.. > > Ionizers…  Ozone Generation…  Two DIFFERENT things! > > One creates ions ( Charged Particles)  SHOW me documentation where > > negative ionization can hurt you! > > The other creates Ozone.  Activated Oxygen (O3)  Something naturally > > found in fresh air in a light concentration ( approx .02 – .04 parts > > per million ) > > Nature uses BOTH to clean the air.  Our units use both to duplicate > > that inside. > > Harold Spatz > > Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer > > State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers > > What would clean FRESH AIR > > in your home or car do for you? > > (610) 796-2452 > > >In Response to Barrys Ignorant Certificatedized Licensed Blather: > > >Talking about Pet and Carpet Removal: > > >Its the one thing that will hopefully solve the problem in all cases, > and > > >will > > >save Many People the expense of air filtration,ionizers, etc, that > > >rarely solve or alleviate the problems on their own when the source > > >of allergen is still present in the House. > > >Did I say Ionizer???–An Asthmatics greatest enemy is an Ionizer, > > >It creates more harm than Good. > > >It Damages the Lungs. > > >Not to say that their are any Good Ionizers out there! > > >But–For an Ionizer to be effective , it would have to Ionize an Air > Intake > > >System, then > > >before the Air Could Leave that System it would have to pass or be > vented > > >through a > > >Harmless Precipitate Action such that all Free Ozone( 03) would drop > from > > >the Air, > > >and then be allowed to enter the Room. > > >For Asthmatics or the Elderly, Ozone is no less of a problem , than the > > >Allergen you are trying to Remove from the Air!

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Barry Here Of http://www.aircleaners.com Hey Allan Dont misquote me ! , I never mentioned carpet removel in my post. But since you did mention it , I will give  a  post back to you. Yes Carpet is altogether unhealthy crap. It holds 8 times its weight in dust and you still wont see it. Carpet out gasses a cocktail of chemicals that can trigger allergy and  asthma problems. THE BIG PROBLEM IS that many people cannot afford to just rip out their carpet and replace it with a safer product. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE ALLAN!!  YOU MUST BE RICH ,STUPID OR BOTH!! to think that everyone that has carpet and allergies or asthma will just naturally go and rip out aprox 2500 square feet or more of carpet and spend thousands of dollars on new flooring. You, Cynic and Colon must all be boyfriends! The best alternative is to purchase good quality HEPA air cleaners with a minimum of 15 Lbs of activated coconut carbon / zeolite blend in it. The HEPA filter will exchange the dirty air into it to remove the allergens and the carbon blend will absorb the outgassing chemicals in the carpet.Most Carpet outgasses at a high rate for aprox two years. After the two years the outgassing is greatly reduced. The smaller the room ,the greater the air exchange per hour will be . Its best to place one unit in the bedroom or rooms if more then one family member has allergies or asthma and mabe place one unit in the living room area. The Best HEPA air cleaners on the market would be the Austin Air Healthmate or Healthmate Plus and the Care 2000 units These HEPA air cleaners will exchange the air in a average size  bedroom about 15 times per hour . This is more then enough to keep your bedroom allergen free. Allan ,you and your idiot boyfriends say that these HEPA air cleaners dont work. Your all full of crap because these quality air cleaners work great. I have sold thousands of them and everyone loves them because they help their allergies and asthma. And its quickly obvious after just one nights sleep. The HEPA air cleaners that Im talking about are the best. They Cost well under $400.00.  The filter cartridge will last up to five years before they need replacement at a cost of $145.00. They Run on 100 watts  of electricity . It costs only about $ 40.00 per year to run each unit.  When I talk about HEPA air cleaners ,im not talking about the cheap rip off bionairs and honeywells that you most likely have tried. The $150.00-$200.00 Honeywell for example costs  aprox $265.00 per year in electricity costs alone. The crappy prefilter must be changed every two-three months at a cost between $20.00- $30.00 per pre filter  and the HEPA Filter must be replaced every eight or nine months at a cost of $80.00- $90.00. The units are very noisy and the clean air is actually pushed down the floor,which kicks up more dust into the air!  In one years time you will have spent more money on a low quality air cleaner then on a unit that is ten times the quality in every way!  As far as Alpine Air Purifiers Go, Yes the  ozone output should be set at a lower level for the more sensitive people with asthma.  I have sold hundreds of these units to people with asthma  without problems. I always make sure that I explain the proper way to set the ozone adjustment on their unit. These air purifiers also work well. I have never had one person tell me that they had a reaction to ions. The reaction that you must have had was to the uncontrolled ozone output from a needlepoint type of ionizer in a small room . Some of the needlepoint ionizers on the market such as the ionic breeze unit that you can find at Sharper Image, has many needlepoint ionizers on them that will produce amounts of  ozone. If the ozone output cannot be controlled its not as good as the quality units such as the Alpine. The larger Alpine units actually use a patented radio ionizer that produces no ozone at all. This ionizer will penetrate up to 50 feet right through the walls to ionize the air into other rooms. The ozone output is totally adjustable, but the ozone will only be put out in the room or area that the unit is working in. The other rooms will not get any ozone at all ,unless the unit is pointed into an air return in your ducted heating or A/C system. I hope that this info has been a help to others on the newsgroup. I dont expect it will help you, Allan or your boyfriends because you are beyond help!,  Im sure that your poor response to good honest info like this will continue! http://asthma.miningco.com/health/asthma/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=… www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/ps/deodc/ehlb/iaqs/ozone.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In Response to Natural Born Cynic’s Ignorance.. > Ionizers…  Ozone Generation…  Two DIFFERENT things! > One creates ions ( Charged Particles)  SHOW me documentation where > negative ionization can hurt you! > The other creates Ozone.  Activated Oxygen (O3)  Something naturally > found in fresh air in a light concentration ( approx .02 – .04 parts > per million ) > Nature uses BOTH to clean the air.  Our units use both to duplicate > that inside. > Harold Spatz > Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer > State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers > What would clean FRESH AIR > in your home or car do for you? > (610) 796-2452 > >In Response to Barrys Ignorant Certificatedized Licensed Blather: > >Talking about Pet and Carpet Removal: > >Its the one thing that will hopefully solve the problem in all cases, and > >will > >save Many People the expense of air filtration,ionizers, etc, that > >rarely solve or alleviate the problems on their own when the source > >of allergen is still present in the House. > >Did I say Ionizer???–An Asthmatics greatest enemy is an Ionizer, > >It creates more harm than Good. > >It Damages the Lungs. > >Not to say that their are any Good Ionizers out there! > >But–For an Ionizer to be effective , it would have to Ionize an Air Intake > >System, then > >before the Air Could Leave that System it would have to pass or be vented > >through a > >Harmless Precipitate Action such that all Free Ozone( 03) would drop from > >the Air, > >and then be allowed to enter the Room. > >For Asthmatics or the Elderly, Ozone is no less of a problem , than the > >Allergen you are trying to Remove from the Air!

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>In Response to Natural Born Cynic’s Ignorance.. >Ionizers…  Ozone Generation…  Two DIFFERENT things!

My mistake! I’m Sorry! Got my terminology wrong –never again! You’ll never hear the above words from Barry! >One creates ions ( Charged Particles)  SHOW me documentation where >negative ionization can hurt you! >The other creates Ozone.  Activated Oxygen (O3)  Something naturally >found in fresh air in a light concentration ( approx .02 – .04 parts >per million ) >Nature uses BOTH to clean the air.

Yes, Definetly , and Nature uses the Good Fire to reinvorgate and clear the Land, and Good Earthquakes and Tornadoes so that we can start anew…. and Good Pestilence and Disease to weed out the weak ones among us! ….And Lightening to punish the Evil and Clean the Air! This is All Good and Natural!  >Our units use both to duplicate >that inside.

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> In Response to Natural Born Cynic’s Ignorance.. > Ionizers…  Ozone Generation…  Two DIFFERENT things! > One creates ions ( Charged Particles)  SHOW me documentation where > negative ionization can hurt you! > The other creates Ozone.  Activated Oxygen (O3)  Something naturally > found in fresh air in a light concentration ( approx .02 – .04 parts > per million ) > Nature uses BOTH to clean the air.  Our units use both to duplicate > that inside.

Both ions and ozone are irritants for me. Ozone is a very reactive molocule that grabs on to what ever it contacts. It will oxidize some things and reduce smells and inactivat some reactive things producting oxides. Most oxides are pretty stable compounds. But in excess it reacacts with air way and lung tissue. If ozone will kill bactera it is not good for lungs either.  Actualy it is a matter of concentration I little won’t hurt most folks. The laser printer or copier puts out a lot more than the clean air machine. In high levels ozone can be a serious irritant. In high enough contrations it is toxic. Negitive Ions cause smoke and particals to stick togeather  and drop out of the air. Again it a matter of concentration. For a Ion air cleaner to work I needs a high contration of ions in a small space to drop the dust an smoke. Do they reduce the smoke and smells you bet they do but not much if run at save levels. A HEPA filter with a activated charcoal will beat them all over the place. filter. IMHO — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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In Response to Natural Born Cynic’s Ignorance.. Ionizers…  Ozone Generation…  Two DIFFERENT things! One creates ions ( Charged Particles)  SHOW me documentation where negative ionization can hurt you!   The other creates Ozone.  Activated Oxygen (O3)  Something naturally found in fresh air in a light concentration ( approx .02 – .04 parts per million ) Nature uses BOTH to clean the air.  Our units use both to duplicate that inside. Harold Spatz Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers What would clean FRESH AIR in your home or car do for you? (610) 796-2452 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >In Response to Barrys Ignorant Certificatedized Licensed Blather: >Talking about Pet and Carpet Removal: >Its the one thing that will hopefully solve the problem in all cases, and >will >save Many People the expense of air filtration,ionizers, etc, that >rarely solve or alleviate the problems on their own when the source >of allergen is still present in the House. >Did I say Ionizer???–An Asthmatics greatest enemy is an Ionizer, >It creates more harm than Good. >It Damages the Lungs. >Not to say that their are any Good Ionizers out there! >But–For an Ionizer to be effective , it would have to Ionize an Air Intake >System, then >before the Air Could Leave that System it would have to pass or be vented >through a >Harmless Precipitate Action such that all Free Ozone( 03) would drop from >the Air, >and then be allowed to enter the Room. >For Asthmatics or the Elderly, Ozone is no less of a problem , than the >Allergen you are trying to Remove from the Air!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Your Bull crap comments telling people that HEPA air cleaners do not work >shows me that you have no training at all. If you did ,you were sleeping in >class. I have a class B  state A/C contractors license. I have been in the >indoor air quality business since 1980s. It is my specialty ! I clean sick >building environments for the US government , privite industries, hospitals >ect.I even helped the EPA in the late 1980’s when they had indoor air >quality problems in their own building in Washington DC.  I understand how >and why the products that I sell work. What License in indoor air quality do >you hold Colon?I bet that you have none at all. What real experience do you >have in sick building and indoor air quality clean ups ? Do you know how to >do air balancing in buildings ? I can tell that you dont know a thing about >how air moves around a room or in a building. Do you know how to rip apart >air handler units and clean them properly ? Do you know why and how to stop >the fungal and bacteria growth from growing back in air conveyance systems >after they have been properly cleaned and decontaminated with the proper >biocides? Do you know why they became contaminated in the first place? I bet >that the answer is NO on all accounts! This is what I have been doing for a >living since the 1980s. Anyone really in this industry could tell that you >are not a part of it.  Also many of your posts are Pure BS. >You tell people >things like: Get rid of your loved pets , Tear apart your house to remove >the so called problems.How can you tell people to do these things without >knowing all of the facts or what you are doing. Your an extremist  idiot!

In Response to Barrys Ignorant Certificatedized Licensed Blather: Talking about Pet and Carpet Removal: Its the one thing that will hopefully solve the problem in all cases, and will save Many People the expense of air filtration,ionizers, etc, that rarely solve or alleviate the problems on their own when the source of allergen is still present in the House. Did I say Ionizer???–An Asthmatics greatest enemy is an Ionizer, It creates more harm than Good. It Damages the Lungs. Not to say that their are any Good Ionizers out there! But–For an Ionizer to be effective , it would have to Ionize an Air Intake System, then before the Air Could Leave that System it would have to pass or be vented through a Harmless Precipitate Action such that all Free Ozone( 03) would drop from the Air, and then be allowed to enter the Room. For Asthmatics or the Elderly, Ozone is no less of a problem , than the Allergen you are trying to Remove from the Air! —But none of the Ionizer Machines are Manufactured Like this! If they were and Barry Sold Them , then No One would have a Problem With This! Additionally, There is no simple test to know what the source of your problem is . Sure, We’ve all had those Allergen Skin Prickle Tests, but those haven proven to be misleading and faulty. You know if you leave the House and get better, you know its something in your house, but its not very easy to know for sure what is the problem. Carpet and Pet Removal is part of diagnosing the Allergy problem. If it doesnt work or alleviate the problem, then you havent found the source of what is Causing the Asthma/Allergy or Illness. For some people this is the first tip off to E.I.  -Environmental Illness which could be from chemicals emitted in the house, i.e. wood flooring, gas burner, etc. ..which could also be from food, or other substances…..like Grandpa’s Old Thing-a-Majig in the Closet, or from something as simple as the Fabric Softener thats in all your Clothes. In many cases, asking loved ones to smoke outside, or getting rid of the pet or limiting its time in the house, in addition to  Carpet Removal or Grand Scale Cleaning is the ‘Doctors Advice’ . In MOST cases, Living with the Problem and ameliorating its effects through Air Filtration is an iffy and costly choice!! However, if someone has a REAL, REAL Mild problem, then Maybe that could be a solution(AirFilter). But not to the Grand Scale that Schnob Barry of AirCleever would have you think. I cant say I have ever heard a Doctor advise Air Filtration Systems, although you may be able to find a Doctor Saying So on a Commercial Site that Sells All the Usual Products. I’ve Tried Hepa Filters before, I lived in Vegas, and I thought that I could ameliorate or eliminate the Dust Problem in the House, the only thing that thing did was– make me into a Filter Consumer.  –The Real Unsolvable Problem was that I lived in a Dry,Dusty Desert and nothing short of Never Opening the Doors, and Sealing all Window Vents, and Dusting Continously was going to Solve the Chronic Particulate Problem in the Air. –Sure it helped and I breathed Cleaner Air in the One Room that the Small Room Filter was in, but I still had a Dust Problem. You’ve never seen a Hepa Filter Get so Dark and Black and as Quick as when you live in the Desert! As to Barry, he only sees Black and White. He is a Linear Thinker with a ‘Blue Collar Certificate’. Two Claps for Barry for not going to College…You would have never made it Boy! >You tell people >things like: Get rid of your loved pets , Tear apart your house to remove >the so called problems.How can you tell people to do these things without >knowing all of the facts or what you are doing. Your an extremist  idiot!

Lets analyze the above Ignorant NonThinking  Blather of Barry: Lets see, telling people to Remove Pets or Carpet makes one an Idiot. Presumably the anology would be ‘Telling Someone to Drink Plenty of Fluids and Stay Warm’ when they are sick would make one an idiot , if they are not at least a ‘Nurses Aid’. Barry , You are the Cream of the Crop, remember you could have been a ‘Grease Monkey’ but with your brains …..You went to the Top!!

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>Your an idiot Cynic. The info I post in here is good and honest. And for >your info, many people that read this newsgroup are my customers. How would >you know anything about if and how many  people that read this newsgroup are >purchasing from me. You wouldn’t.Just as you know nothing about air >filtration systems and how they work.

Better yet, I’ve got Two Science Degrees and can think. Also, grew up tinkering in the garage, rebuilding engines, etc. Plus I have real experience with Asthma! I got you and your G.E.D.  and your learning problem…beat! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have asthma and have worked in a variety of smoker environments, > although helpful, an airfiltration system as described is not very >effective > unless the smoker(s) are isolated geographically, and under a ‘hood’ >  something that will suck > the air from above and isolate the contaminated air) connected to a > Good Filtration System will do a FAIR job. > ..Or having a Air Filtration System in a seperate room that has a seperate > Air supply from > the Rest of the Building. > Anything less, or just putting a HEPA airfilter in the Room, nilly-willy >is > not > going to achieve much in alleviating the symptoms associated with Toxic > Cigarette Smoke > ,especially in sensitive individuals. > Some of the Best Air Filtration Systems present anywhere in the nation, >are > in Las Vegas Casinos, and still > an Asthmatic with an Aversion To Cigarette Smoke would still feel > uncomfortable, bothered > and sensitive. > As to Barry of www.aircleever.com he is a Pariah in this group whose > unprofessional banter, > and sales-slanted advice must be taken with a ‘Block’ of salt. > Sometimes he gives decent advice, other times he is just a bigoted >salesman > who > pushes ‘Product Literature Advice’ to the best of his ability, despite > evidence to the contrary. > His sole purpose in this group is to provide a presence to ‘Sell’ and he >has > conducted himself > in an unprofessional matter in this regard. > Additionally, his air products are uncompetive price-wise, and he is >shunned > by all the > regulars in this group. > >This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the > >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air >cleaner > >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it > could > >help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air > >cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its > HEPA > >air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room >it > >will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more >then > >enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air > >cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns > in > >size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in >any > >size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be > >the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke > >and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners > >also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will > >quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke > and > >other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely > >used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , > >researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and >prescribe > >them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a > scumbag > >jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument >or > >to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of > >hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the > bull > >crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion > >but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick >reasons > >is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin > >> >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the >chemicals > >and > >> >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking > >environment,ask > >> >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large > >office > >> >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The >air > >> >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also >be > >> >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing > >> >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… >Best > >of > >> >luck ! > >> If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do > >> any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is > >> designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the > >> occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the > >> air cleaner. > >> If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of > >> protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for > >> accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. > >> Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form > >> of air cleaning. > >> If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to > >> the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors > >> your products. > >> No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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>Your Bull crap comments telling people that HEPA air cleaners do not work >shows me that you have no training at all. If you did ,you were sleeping in >class. I have a class B  state A/C contractors license. I have been in the >indoor air quality business since 1980s.

And what does this have to do with actual IAQ training?  What actual IAQ (State or Federal) certifications do you hold? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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I have a class B  state A/C contractors license. I have been in the >indoor air quality business since 1980s. It is my specialty !

Buddy unless you had a University Degree and/or the ability to think, collect information and analytically decide its importance ….I wouldn’t trust you even if you had an Extra Dental Assistants License in your back pocket! Your a Limited ‘Blue Collar Thinking Guy’ and you dont realize it! Science and/or thinking is not your forte! Hence, your valueless and/or  limited usefulness advice you’ve been spewing in this group!

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An a/c license you say?  My goodness, there’s a qualification to dispense medical advice.  The various persons here who hold degrees in medical fields, engineering, and other sciences were wasting their times learning, well, actual facts about those silly old alveoli and goblet cells when they should have been studying metal ductwork. Many of these foolish souls donate their times and information here and (shudder) don’t expect to make a profit from their efforts, just help someone.  If only they had sent a fee to a state licensing board they could have provided your rich insights about the benefits of ozone to airway epithelia. Never mind that every medical organization and the federal courts have blasted their use in areas of human occupancy (maybe that’s why you don’t notice any problems), you continue to promote their use for your personal profit.  What’s next, selling emetics to chemo patients at Sloane-Kettering? If you think that claiming customers among this group helps your credibility, you’re wrong.  This is not a place for commerce, but for support.  You are a greedy, abrasive presence here, and I can’t recall ever having seen any posting of anyone in the group that finds your continued self-serving messages here welcome.  Haven’t you noticed that? (please don’t invite your shills to suddenly start posting, we’ll see through it) I would invite anyone who is tired of this huckster’s ozone claims to focus the FTC on him and his website.  I know that I will… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Your Bull crap comments telling people that HEPA air cleaners do not work > shows me that you have no training at all. If you did ,you were sleeping in > class. I have a class B  state A/C contractors license. I have been in the > indoor air quality business since 1980s. It is my specialty ! I clean sick > building environments for the US government , privite industries, hospitals > ect.I even helped the EPA in the late 1980’s when they had indoor air > quality problems in their own building in Washington DC.  I understand how > and why the products that I sell work. What License in indoor air quality do > you hold Colon?I bet that you have none at all. What real experience do you > have in sick building and indoor air quality clean ups ? Do you know how to > do air balancing in buildings ? I can tell that you dont know a thing about > how air moves around a room or in a building. Do you know how to rip apart > air handler units and clean them properly ? Do you know why and how to stop > the fungal and bacteria growth from growing back in air conveyance systems > after they have been properly cleaned and decontaminated with the proper > biocides? Do you know why they became contaminated in the first place? I bet > that the answer is NO on all accounts! This is what I have been doing for a > living since the 1980s. Anyone really in this industry could tell that you > are not a part of it.  Also many of your posts are Pure BS. You tell people > things like: Get rid of your loved pets , Tear apart your house to remove > the so called problems.How can you tell people to do these things without > knowing all of the facts or what you are doing. Your an extremist  idiot! > Your like a cut happy surgeon that would rather cut someone’s arm off before > trying less invasive treatments! You spew on and on about how dangerous low > power air purifiers that produce minute amouts of ozone are and  then Your > in here telling people what medications that they should be using without > knowing anything about their true medical history.  Someday your info is > going to be the helping factor in someones death! When it is, I hope that > >This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the > >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air > cleaner > >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it > could > >help him or her. > You have misrepresented my post.  Please be more accurate in the > future. > Unlike yourself I am actually trained in IAQ had have held federal and > State certifications.  As I have explained to you on numerous > occasions, air filtration is the least effective method of improving > indoor air quality.  The most effective method is simply to remove the > source of the contamination. > BTW, before you start claiming that any air filter will prevent smoke > from entering the breathing space in any particular area you need to > talk to an HVAC engineer about how air moves in a room.  It does not > act the way you seem to think. > No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Your Bull crap comments telling people that HEPA air cleaners do not work shows me that you have no training at all. If you did ,you were sleeping in class. I have a class B  state A/C contractors license. I have been in the indoor air quality business since 1980s. It is my specialty ! I clean sick building environments for the US government , privite industries, hospitals ect.I even helped the EPA in the late 1980’s when they had indoor air quality problems in their own building in Washington DC.  I understand how and why the products that I sell work. What License in indoor air quality do you hold Colon?I bet that you have none at all. What real experience do you have in sick building and indoor air quality clean ups ? Do you know how to do air balancing in buildings ? I can tell that you dont know a thing about how air moves around a room or in a building. Do you know how to rip apart air handler units and clean them properly ? Do you know why and how to stop the fungal and bacteria growth from growing back in air conveyance systems after they have been properly cleaned and decontaminated with the proper biocides? Do you know why they became contaminated in the first place? I bet that the answer is NO on all accounts! This is what I have been doing for a living since the 1980s. Anyone really in this industry could tell that you are not a part of it.  Also many of your posts are Pure BS. You tell people things like: Get rid of your loved pets , Tear apart your house to remove the so called problems.How can you tell people to do these things without knowing all of the facts or what you are doing. Your an extremist  idiot! Your like a cut happy surgeon that would rather cut someone’s arm off before trying less invasive treatments! You spew on and on about how dangerous low power air purifiers that produce minute amouts of ozone are and  then Your in here telling people what medications that they should be using without knowing anything about their true medical history.  Someday your info is going to be the helping factor in someones death! When it is, I hope that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it could >help him or her. > You have misrepresented my post.  Please be more accurate in the > future. > Unlike yourself I am actually trained in IAQ had have held federal and > State certifications.  As I have explained to you on numerous > occasions, air filtration is the least effective method of improving > indoor air quality.  The most effective method is simply to remove the > source of the contamination. > BTW, before you start claiming that any air filter will prevent smoke > from entering the breathing space in any particular area you need to > talk to an HVAC engineer about how air moves in a room.  It does not > act the way you seem to think. > No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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>Harold Spatz >Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer >State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers >What would clean FRESH AIR >in your home or car do for you?

Another guy selling ozone generators. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Your an idiot Cynic. The info I post in here is good and honest. And for your info, many people that read this newsgroup are my customers. How would you know anything about if and how many  people that read this newsgroup are purchasing from me. You wouldn’t.Just as you know nothing about air filtration systems and how they work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have asthma and have worked in a variety of smoker environments, > although helpful, an airfiltration system as described is not very effective > unless the smoker(s) are isolated geographically, and under a ‘hood’ >  something that will suck > the air from above and isolate the contaminated air) connected to a > Good Filtration System will do a FAIR job. > ..Or having a Air Filtration System in a seperate room that has a seperate > Air supply from > the Rest of the Building. > Anything less, or just putting a HEPA airfilter in the Room, nilly-willy is > not > going to achieve much in alleviating the symptoms associated with Toxic > Cigarette Smoke > ,especially in sensitive individuals. > Some of the Best Air Filtration Systems present anywhere in the nation, are > in Las Vegas Casinos, and still > an Asthmatic with an Aversion To Cigarette Smoke would still feel > uncomfortable, bothered > and sensitive. > As to Barry of www.aircleever.com he is a Pariah in this group whose > unprofessional banter, > and sales-slanted advice must be taken with a ‘Block’ of salt. > Sometimes he gives decent advice, other times he is just a bigoted salesman > who > pushes ‘Product Literature Advice’ to the best of his ability, despite > evidence to the contrary. > His sole purpose in this group is to provide a presence to ‘Sell’ and he has > conducted himself > in an unprofessional matter in this regard. > Additionally, his air products are uncompetive price-wise, and he is shunned > by all the > regulars in this group. >This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it > could >help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air >cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its > HEPA >air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it >will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then >enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air >cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns > in >size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any >size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be >the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke >and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners >also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will >quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke > and >other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely >used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , >researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe >them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a > scumbag >jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or >to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of >hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the > bull >crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion >but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons >is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin >> >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals >and >> >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking >environment,ask >> >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large >office >> >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air >> >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be >> >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing >> >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best >of >> >luck ! >> If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do >> any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is >> designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the >> occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the >> air cleaner. >> If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of >> protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for >> accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. >> Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form >> of air cleaning. >> If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to >> the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors >> your products. >> No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Worried about the well-being of people here, are you barry?  Still selling those deadly-toxic ozone belchers?  The Alpines that are under Federal injunction because of false and misleading claims about their safety and effectiveness? Such claims that are still being made on your website? Save your ‘concern’ about information posted here until you can post some that doesn’t try to put money in your greedy little deceptive pockets. You’re right about one thing:  HEPA filters at least have demonstrable use for those who benefit from a reduction of allergens–if you just promoted those and not the ozoners, you’d at least not be dangerous–merely self-serving and offensive.  You seem to like the word scumbag–your propensity to use such epithets says more about you and your lack of class than anyone that you assail… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the > SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner > will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it could > help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air > cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its HEPA > air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it > will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then > enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air > cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns in > size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any > size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be > the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke > and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners > also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will > quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke and > other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely > used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , > researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe > them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a scumbag > jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or > to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of > hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the bull > crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion > but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons > is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin > >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals > and > >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking > environment,ask > >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large > office > >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air > >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be > >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing > >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best > of > >luck ! > If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do > any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is > designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the > occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the > air cleaner. > If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of > protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for > accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. > Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form > of air cleaning. > If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to > the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors > your products. > No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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>This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it could >help him or her.

You have misrepresented my post.  Please be more accurate in the future. Unlike yourself I am actually trained in IAQ had have held federal and State certifications.  As I have explained to you on numerous occasions, air filtration is the least effective method of improving indoor air quality.  The most effective method is simply to remove the source of the contamination. BTW, before you start claiming that any air filter will prevent smoke from entering the breathing space in any particular area you need to talk to an HVAC engineer about how air moves in a room.  It does not act the way you seem to think. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Thanks for an EXCELLENT IDEA! Harold Spatz Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers What would clean FRESH AIR in your home or car do for you? (610) 796-2452 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Some of the Best Air Filtration Systems present anywhere in the nation, are >in Las Vegas Casinos, and still >an Asthmatic with an Aversion To Cigarette Smoke would still feel >uncomfortable, bothered >and sensitive. >As to Barry of www.aircleever.com he is a Pariah in this group whose >unprofessional banter, >and sales-slanted advice must be taken with a ‘Block’ of salt. >Sometimes he gives decent advice, other times he is just a bigoted salesman >who >pushes ‘Product Literature Advice’ to the best of his ability, despite >evidence to the contrary. >His sole purpose in this group is to provide a presence to ‘Sell’ and he has >conducted himself >in an unprofessional matter in this regard. >Additionally, his air products are uncompetive price-wise, and he is shunned >by all the >regulars in this group. >This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it >could >help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air >cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its >HEPA >air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it >will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then >enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air >cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns >in >size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any >size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be >the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke >and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners >also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will >quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke >and >other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely >used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , >researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe >them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a >scumbag >jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or >to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of >hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the >bull >crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion >but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons >is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin >> >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals >and >> >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking >environment,ask >> >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large >office >> >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air >> >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be >> >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing >> >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best >of >> >luck ! >> If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do >> any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is >> designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the >> occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the >> air cleaner. >> If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of >> protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for >> accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. >> Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form >> of air cleaning. >> If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to >> the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors >> your products. >> No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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>Thanks for an EXCELLENT IDEA!

There was one?….Oh, the hood and isolation? Its already used in Vegas! Spent 10 years in the Casino Business! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Harold Spatz >Independent EcoQuest / Alpine Dealer >State-of-the-Art Air and Water Purifiers >What would clean FRESH AIR >in your home or car do for you? >(610) 796-2452 >Some of the Best Air Filtration Systems present anywhere in the nation, are >in Las Vegas Casinos, and still >an Asthmatic with an Aversion To Cigarette Smoke would still feel >uncomfortable, bothered >and sensitive. >As to Barry of www.aircleever.com he is a Pariah in this group whose >unprofessional banter, >and sales-slanted advice must be taken with a ‘Block’ of salt. >Sometimes he gives decent advice, other times he is just a bigoted salesman >who >pushes ‘Product Literature Advice’ to the best of his ability, despite >evidence to the contrary. >His sole purpose in this group is to provide a presence to ‘Sell’ and he has >conducted himself >in an unprofessional matter in this regard. >Additionally, his air products are uncompetive price-wise, and he is shunned >by all the >regulars in this group. >>This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >>SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >>will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it >could >>help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air >>cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its >HEPA >>air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it >>will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then >>enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air >>cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns >in >>size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any >>size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be >>the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke >>and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners >>also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will >>quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke >and >>other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely >>used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , >>researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe >>them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a >scumbag >>jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or >>to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of >>hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the >bull >>crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion >>but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons >>is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin >>> >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals >>and >>> >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking >>environment,ask >>> >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large >>office >>> >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air >>> >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be >>> >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing >>> >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best >>of >>> >luck ! >>> If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do >>> any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is >>> designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the >>> occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the >>> air cleaner. >>> If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of >>> protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for >>> accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. >>> Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form >>> of air cleaning. >>> If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to >>> the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors >>> your products. >>> No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it could help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its HEPA air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns in size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke and other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a scumbag jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the bull crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals and >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking environment,ask >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large office >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best of >luck ! > If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do > any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is > designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the > occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the > air cleaner. > If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of > protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for > accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. > Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form > of air cleaning. > If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to > the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors > your products. > No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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I have asthma and have worked in a variety of smoker environments, although helpful, an airfiltration system as described is not very effective unless the smoker(s) are isolated geographically, and under a ‘hood’  something that will suck the air from above and isolate the contaminated air) connected to a Good Filtration System will do a FAIR job. ..Or having a Air Filtration System in a seperate room that has a seperate Air supply from the Rest of the Building. Anything less, or just putting a HEPA airfilter in the Room, nilly-willy is not going to achieve much in alleviating the symptoms associated with Toxic Cigarette Smoke ,especially in sensitive individuals. Some of the Best Air Filtration Systems present anywhere in the nation, are in Las Vegas Casinos, and still an Asthmatic with an Aversion To Cigarette Smoke would still feel uncomfortable, bothered and sensitive. As to Barry of www.aircleever.com he is a Pariah in this group whose unprofessional banter, and sales-slanted advice must be taken with a ‘Block’ of salt. Sometimes he gives decent advice, other times he is just a bigoted salesman who pushes ‘Product Literature Advice’ to the best of his ability, despite evidence to the contrary. His sole purpose in this group is to provide a presence to ‘Sell’ and he has conducted himself in an unprofessional matter in this regard. Additionally, his air products are uncompetive price-wise, and he is shunned by all the regulars in this group. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >This is Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Colon you are quite the >SCUMBAG telling this poor person and everyone else that a HEPA air cleaner >will not do anything to pull smoke or particulate out of the air so it could >help him or her. You are the asshole of assholes. A good quality HEPA air >cleaner such as the Austin Air Healthmate will move the air through its HEPA >air filter at over 400 cubic feet per minute. In a 500 square foot room it >will exchange and clean the air aprox 12 times per hour . This is more then >enough air exchanges per hour to clear the room of smoke. These HEPA air >cleaners will remove smoke and particulate at 99.97 % down to 0.3 microns in >size. Its also much faster then a persons lungs can exchange the air in any >size room ,except mabe a room the size of your brain, which appears to be >the size of a PEA!  HEPA air cleaners are used everywhere to remove Smoke >and many different types of particulate. The Austin air HEPA air cleaners >also have 15 Lbs of coconut shell carbon and Zeolite in them that will >quickly remove the dangerous gasses and odors that are part of the smoke and >other allergy and asthma triggers. These HEPA air cleaners are routinely >used in hospitals,laboratories homes and YES  in offices. Physicians , >researchers, and industrial hygienists use HEPA air cleaners and prescribe >them, to benefit themselves and others every single day. Your such a scumbag >jerk! You will say anything even lowdown lies ,just to start an argument or >to appear like you know what your talking about. Even to the point of >hurting others health. This newsgroup is for helping people not for the bull >crap that spews out of you. Everyone in here is entitled to their opinion >but for you to give such misinformation  to someone  for your sick reasons >is pitiful . You Really Should See A Good Psychiatrist !!!        Colin > >Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals >and > >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking >environment,ask > >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large >office > >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air > >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be > >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing > >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best >of > >luck ! > If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do > any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is > designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the > occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the > air cleaner. > If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of > protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for > accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. > Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form > of air cleaning. > If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to > the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors > your products. > No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Hi, all!! Can someone answer me the following question? I had a bad flare-up in January that has since worsened my symptoms.  I’ve been put on Accolate, Claritin, and increased does of  Pulmicort to 2 puffs, twice daily.  The question I have is this: I am going next month for an allergy test, as I have had severe bouts of coughing and wheezing being around people who smoke since I had the flare-up.  Is it possible for the test to show neg to the smoke and me still have the wheezing when I am near tobacco smoke?  It got so bad the other night that my husband heard it; which he usually can’t hear.  I used to cough slightly but cough more since this incident.  The reason I ask is that my father has always treated me like the asthma was either is my head, or a direct result of my weight.  While I acknowledge that my weight has something small to do with it, my Doc has told me that the flare-up may have very well made my reaction to cig smoke worse.  TIA for any responses. Frances.

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>Hi, all!! >Can someone answer me the following question? >I had a bad flare-up in January that has since worsened my symptoms.  I’ve >been put on Accolate, Claritin, and increased does of  Pulmicort to 2 puffs, >twice daily.  The question I have is this: >I am going next month for an allergy test, as I have had severe bouts of >coughing and wheezing being around people who smoke since I had the >flare-up.

I do not know of any asthmatic who will not react to cigarette smoke. It is not an allergy it is the fact that the stuff contains irritating chemicals. >cough slightly but cough more since this incident.  The reason I ask is that >my father has always treated me like the asthma was either is my head, or a >direct result of my weight.  While I acknowledge that my weight has >something small to do with it, my Doc has told me that the flare-up may have >very well made my reaction to cig smoke worse.  TIA for any responses.

Your father is an idiot.  You might mention to him that it is much more likely that the weight is a result of the asthma. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals and the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking environment,ask your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large office area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best of luck !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, all!! > Can someone answer me the following question? > I had a bad flare-up in January that has since worsened my symptoms.  I’ve > been put on Accolate, Claritin, and increased does of  Pulmicort to 2 puffs, > twice daily.  The question I have is this: > I am going next month for an allergy test, as I have had severe bouts of > coughing and wheezing being around people who smoke since I had the > flare-up.  Is it possible for the test to show neg to the smoke and me still > have the wheezing when I am near tobacco smoke?  It got so bad the other > night that my husband heard it; which he usually can’t hear.  I used to > cough slightly but cough more since this incident.  The reason I ask is that > my father has always treated me like the asthma was either is my head, or a > direct result of my weight.  While I acknowledge that my weight has > something small to do with it, my Doc has told me that the flare-up may have > very well made my reaction to cig smoke worse.  TIA for any responses. > Frances.

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>Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Your reacting to the chemicals and >the smoke particulate itsself. If your working in a smoking environment,ask >your boss to put a good HEPA air cleaner in the office.If its a large office >area over 500 square feet the area will need more then one unit.The air >cleaner will help by filtering out much of the smoke.There could also be >other contributing problems such as new carpeting that is outgassing >chemicals,cleaning chemicals,dirty air ducts and A/C system Ect… Best of >luck !

If somebody works in a smoking office an air filter is not going to do any good.  The reason is that unless the office ventilation is designed to prevent the smoke from entering the breathing space of the occupants the smoke will be as likely to enter your lungs as it is the air cleaner. If you work in a smoking office, the only real effective means of protecting yourself is to have your doctor write a request for accommodation as per the ADA to ban cigarette smoking in the building. Remember that filtration is considered to be the least effective form of air cleaning. If you are going to post advice, please provide advice that relates to the most effective solution to the problem rather than one that favors your products. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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You can be allergic to smoke. But you don’t have to show a positive allergy test to be sensitive to smoke. For example, you wear regular lipstick and aren’t allergic to it. But during the allergy season the perfume in the lipstick with aggrevate your allergy. Tell your dad he just doesn’t know as much about allergy and sensitivity that the doctors do. At the allergists office they have handouts about smoking and allergies. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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