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Relieved Asthma with Calcium.

admin — Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > If you would like more information visit the website at > > www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > > discount.. > I figured that was the scam. You’re an MLM. > : What’s MLM got to do with it? > : Are you just using this splendid occasion to air a prejudice? > : Or du you think the spamming company is actually MLM? I went to see their > : homepage, and nothing indicates to me it’s MLM, maybe a SCAM, but not MLM. > : Regards > : Timo > "Tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a discount.." > That sounds an awful lot like MLM to me, and I don’t think I’m alone in this > view.

Sounds like an MLM to me. In any event, using scam and mlm in the same sentence is rendundant.

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> > If you would like more information visit the website at > www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > discount.. > I figured that was the scam. You’re an MLM.

: What’s MLM got to do with it? : Are you just using this splendid occasion to air a prejudice? : Or du you think the spamming company is actually MLM? I went to see their : homepage, and nothing indicates to me it’s MLM, maybe a SCAM, but not MLM. : Regards : Timo "Tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a discount.." That sounds an awful lot like MLM to me, and I don’t think I’m alone in this view.

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(snipping here) > If you would like more information visit the website at > www.edited-out.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > discount.. > John

Now this gets suspicious, we see the poster is selling this calcium product. A couple days earlier, there were two infomercial messages in this newsgroup promoting Immunocal. I can only guess from the name that calcium was part of it. During my days with CompuServe, which ended August 1997, one sysop on the NATMED forum recommended magnesium for asthma relief, recommended taking chelated magnesium though he was not selling such a product. All the vitamins and minerals are necessary, I don’t think there is any one sacred vitamin or mineral.

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Steven and Colin, thanks for your polite comments; I’ll remember the next time I get the urge to post anything, to wait until the urge passes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine > >your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future. > Yes, this is incredible. Why do you believe it? > People are more apt to believe it when they’re ignorant even of > high-school biology and chemistry. > That’s why these infomercials can toss around nonsensical buzzwords like > "DNA must be smothered in a calcium bath in order to work" and get away > with it. Lots of folks don’t even know what "DNA" is, but it sounds > scientific and advanced. That’s why there are supplements sold in > health food stores that contain "DNA" or "RNA". It’s worthless (your > digestive system breaks it down), but it’s a good sales hook. > — > Steven D. Litvintchouk

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> > If you would like more information visit the website at > www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > discount.. > I figured that was the scam. You’re an MLM.

What’s MLM got to do with it? Are you just using this splendid occasion to air a prejudice? Or du you think the spamming company is actually MLM? I went to see their homepage, and nothing indicates to me it’s MLM, maybe a SCAM, but not MLM. Regards Timo

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: - ) Good job Steven .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My Son has had Asthma since he was young, whenever he got a cough and runny > nose it would cause a reaction with his breathing and we would have to take > him to the emergency room. Even over the last few years while taking > Singular, he still needed treatments during cold and flu season. Well, this > year has been different for us and it is because of Calcium. > I saw an infomercial on TV that talked about how the body can heal itself if > only given the proper nutrients. They were advertising a product but the > more important thing was the concept that your body’s own DNA must be > smothered in a calcium bath to work. > That makes absolutely no sense. The DNA is inside the nucleus of the > cell. The only things that get in there have to diffuse thru the > nuclear membrane. And the DNA is "working" all the time–it’s > replicating; that’s how your cells reproduce. DNA replication is > controlled by enzymes. Calcium has nothing to do with it. > The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine > your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future. > One definition of the word "incredible" is "unbelievable." And sure > enough, what you’ve just said is not believable. > Unless you have a serious illness like diabetes, your body regulates pH > very precisely. The idea that you can control your body pH by consuming > calcium is ludicrous. And if you do have either acidosis or alkalosis, > that is serious, and you had better see a doctor, not attempt to treat > it yourself. > Amazingly, this is simple stuff; prevent the body from loosing calcium by > avoiding the things that take calcium out of your body (Phosperic acid in > most soft drinks and red meat, caffeine, smoking, stress) or put back the > higher levels of calcium needed to fight off the attack of daily life. > To carry oxygen, your blood must maintain 7.4 PH. Your blood has a > mechanism to maintain PH, proper PH is what helps the blood carry oxygen, > but when the bloods PH drops into the acidic level it will take the calcium > it needs from your organs and the bones. > Unless you have a serious illness like diabetes, your body regulates pH > very precisely over any 24-hour period. You’re not going to raise your > body’s pH by consuming calcium. And you shouldn’t even try. > Giving my son calcium was not really the main reason I initially bought the > calcium, actually I thought it would help prevent disease in my pack-a-day > Smokey wife. She refuses to quit, so I checked her PH just to see if she > was at risk and determined that her PH was about 6.4 or about 10 times more > acidic then the average person should be. > That’s impossible. With a blood pH of 6.4, your wife would be (god > forbid) so deathly ill you would need to rush her to the hospital > immediately. What kind of a test is this??? > Needless to say we are all taking calcium, I think it has made my acid > reflux better, > Well that’s true. That’s why Tums work. They’re calcium, which buffers > the stomach acid. > and it seemed to eliminate the cold sores I used to get… > it is going to be the miracle nutrient of the 21st century. > Whenever one of these nutritional fads comes along promising miracles, > remember that only God can make miracles. > If you would like more information visit the website at > www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > discount.. > I figured that was the scam. You’re an MLM. > — > Steven D. Litvintchouk

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> >The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine >your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future. > Yes, this is incredible. Why do you believe it?

People are more apt to believe it when they’re ignorant even of high-school biology and chemistry. That’s why these infomercials can toss around nonsensical buzzwords like "DNA must be smothered in a calcium bath in order to work" and get away with it. Lots of folks don’t even know what "DNA" is, but it sounds scientific and advanced. That’s why there are supplements sold in health food stores that contain "DNA" or "RNA". It’s worthless (your digestive system breaks it down), but it’s a good sales hook. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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> My Son has had Asthma since he was young, whenever he got a cough and runny > nose it would cause a reaction with his breathing and we would have to take > him to the emergency room. Even over the last few years while taking > Singular, he still needed treatments during cold and flu season. Well, this > year has been different for us and it is because of Calcium. > I saw an infomercial on TV that talked about how the body can heal itself if > only given the proper nutrients. They were advertising a product but the > more important thing was the concept that your body’s own DNA must be > smothered in a calcium bath to work.

That makes absolutely no sense. The DNA is inside the nucleus of the cell. The only things that get in there have to diffuse thru the nuclear membrane. And the DNA is "working" all the time–it’s replicating; that’s how your cells reproduce. DNA replication is controlled by enzymes. Calcium has nothing to do with it. > The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine > your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future.

One definition of the word "incredible" is "unbelievable." And sure enough, what you’ve just said is not believable. Unless you have a serious illness like diabetes, your body regulates pH very precisely. The idea that you can control your body pH by consuming calcium is ludicrous. And if you do have either acidosis or alkalosis, that is serious, and you had better see a doctor, not attempt to treat it yourself. > Amazingly, this is simple stuff; prevent the body from loosing calcium by > avoiding the things that take calcium out of your body (Phosperic acid in > most soft drinks and red meat, caffeine, smoking, stress) or put back the > higher levels of calcium needed to fight off the attack of daily life. > To carry oxygen, your blood must maintain 7.4 PH. Your blood has a > mechanism to maintain PH, proper PH is what helps the blood carry oxygen, > but when the bloods PH drops into the acidic level it will take the calcium > it needs from your organs and the bones.

Unless you have a serious illness like diabetes, your body regulates pH very precisely over any 24-hour period. You’re not going to raise your body’s pH by consuming calcium. And you shouldn’t even try. > Giving my son calcium was not really the main reason I initially bought the > calcium, actually I thought it would help prevent disease in my pack-a-day > Smokey wife. She refuses to quit, so I checked her PH just to see if she > was at risk and determined that her PH was about 6.4 or about 10 times more > acidic then the average person should be.

That’s impossible. With a blood pH of 6.4, your wife would be (god forbid) so deathly ill you would need to rush her to the hospital immediately. What kind of a test is this??? > Needless to say we are all taking calcium, I think it has made my acid > reflux better,

Well that’s true. That’s why Tums work. They’re calcium, which buffers the stomach acid. > and it seemed to eliminate the cold sores I used to get… > it is going to be the miracle nutrient of the 21st century.

Whenever one of these nutritional fads comes along promising miracles, remember that only God can make miracles. > If you would like more information visit the website at > www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a > discount..

I figured that was the scam. You’re an MLM. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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My Son has had Asthma since he was young, whenever he got a cough and runny nose it would cause a reaction with his breathing and we would have to take him to the emergency room. Even over the last few years while taking Singular, he still needed treatments during cold and flu season. Well, this year has been different for us and it is because of Calcium. I saw an infomercial on TV that talked about how the body can heal itself if only given the proper nutrients. They were advertising a product but the more important thing was the concept that your body’s own DNA must be smothered in a calcium bath to work. When activated in this way, your own body has the ability to fight off disease. The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future. The PH test determines the body’s level of acid; the more acid you have in your body the less OXYGEN you will have, because oxygen is forced out just like a fish tank or pool that is not properly balanced. Needless to say absorbing more oxygen is a good thing for an asthma patent, but in addition, we discovered he was able to blow above 400 on the peak meter for the first time ever. The final interesting development was that the child had 4-5 warts on his hands that kept coming back no matter what we put on them, but within 2 weeks of taking the calcium they were turning a tan or brown color and shrinking. After 4 weeks they were gone. Amazingly, this is simple stuff; prevent the body from loosing calcium by avoiding the things that take calcium out of your body (Phosperic acid in most soft drinks and red meat, caffeine, smoking, stress) or put back the higher levels of calcium needed to fight off the attack of daily life. To carry oxygen, your blood must maintain 7.4 PH. Your blood has a mechanism to maintain PH, proper PH is what helps the blood carry oxygen, but when the bloods PH drops into the acidic level it will take the calcium it needs from your organs and the bones. Having a low PH in your saliva can also contribute to a host of diseases just because you swallow about 7 quarts a day Giving my son calcium was not really the main reason I initially bought the calcium, actually I thought it would help prevent disease in my pack-a-day Smokey wife. She refuses to quit, so I checked her PH just to see if she was at risk and determined that her PH was about 6.4 or about 10 times more acidic then the average person should be. Needless to say we are all taking calcium, I think it has made my acid reflux better, and it seemed to eliminate the cold sores I used to get… it is going to be the miracle nutrient of the 21st century. If you would like more information visit the website at www.buycoralcalcium.com tell them you heard it from me and I’ll get a discount.. John "DEATH BY DIET" "THE CALCIUM FACTOR" by Robert R. Barefoot

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More likely it is because his asthma is not as sever because as he grows his airways get larger. >I saw an infomercial on TV that talked about how the body can heal itself if >only given the proper nutrients. They were advertising a product but the >more important thing was the concept that your body’s own DNA must be >smothered in a calcium bath to work. When activated in this way, your own >body has the ability to fight off disease.

Making health decisions based on infomercals? >The second most incredible thing was that a simple PH test could determine >your current state of health and your propensity for disease in the future.

Yes, this is incredible. Why do you believe it? "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine

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New Treatment

admin — Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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On the mediia tonight Australian researchers claim to have successfully used a powdered surfactant replacement for the airways in the non side effect treatment of asthma. Does anybody know what is the theory behind this treatment? Surface tension in the airways would produce hydrostatic pressure effects in the smaller radius passages, this would induce the surface moisture to flow towards the smaller airways or the wrong way for clearance. Bill

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Here is the link to this announcement! http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s657440.htm Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > On the mediia tonight Australian researchers claim to have successfully used a powdered surfactant replacement for the > airways in the non side effect treatment of asthma. Does anybody know what is the theory behind this treatment? > Surface tension in the airways would produce hydrostatic pressure effects in the smaller radius passages, this would > induce the surface moisture to flow towards the smaller airways or the wrong way for clearance. > Bill

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James, Would you mind posting the information that you’ve read about this product and it’s effect on acne in this newsgroup? Thanks. Bine.

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>James, >Would you mind posting the information that you’ve read about this >product and it’s effect on acne in this newsgroup? Thanks.

Sure Bine. But I radther have you go to www.dusapharma.com and check out their progress for yourself. The applications of photodynamic therapy seem endless. -James

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James, Would you mind posting the information that you’ve read about this product and it’s effect on acne in this newsgroup? Thanks. Bine.

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>James, >Would you mind posting the information that you’ve read about this >product and it’s effect on acne in this newsgroup? Thanks.

Sure Bine. But I radther have you go to www.dusapharma.com and check out their progress for yourself. The applications of photodynamic therapy seem endless. -James

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> becky and vernon——one and the same—each need a major butt spanking > (unless they’re into that) > geez, julie (gullible, irritable and won’t step in for the vernster,

again) Oh Julie please don’t step out on the vernster. There is a simple explanation I am Vernons alter, you see he also suffers from MPD. We both use the same computer (naturally) but have different interests, I like to keep house and bake chocolate chip cookies and do needlepoint. Vernon loves more manly things, like hunting, race car driving and sky diving (hi skye, chute packed ?) We have different nicks on the computer and sometimes play games on each other, alters do that you know. Hope you are feeling better soon. Please don’t cut Vernon off, you know he loves attention, just like our old black labrador. This mischief was all mine, and is he pissed at me this morning. Have a chocolate chip cookie? or moose tracks? Becky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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>There is a simple >explanation I am Vernons alter, you see he also suffers from >MPD.

Very funny, Vern/Becky. (arghh) You got me.

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The national institute of mental health has just released a startling new report. Following the lead of the Department of Defense’s policy for coping with homosexuality in its ranks, NIMH has announced it’s "don’t ask, don’t tell" therapy, for those of you who act nuts, think you are nuts, but don’t want to be called a nut. This amazing new therapy gives you freedom of choice, to be or not to be that is the question, and now you have a straight answer. V.

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> The national institute of mental health has just released a > startling new report. Following the lead of the Department > of Defense’s policy for coping with homosexuality > in its ranks, NIMH has announced it’s "don’t ask, don’t > tell" therapy, for those of you who act nuts, think you are > nuts, but don’t want to be called a nut. This amazing new > therapy gives you freedom of choice, to be or not to be > that is the question, and now you have a straight answer.

WHOAA….you are on a roll Vernon!! — Lynda

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> The national institute of mental health has just released a > startling new report. > (edit) > WHOAA….you are on a roll Vernon!! > — > Lynda

Please don’t encourage this obviously deranged lunatic homophobe. He seems to thrive on unwarranted praise and attention. Becky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> > WHOAA….you are on a roll Vernon!! > — > Lynda > Please don’t encourage this obviously deranged lunatic > homophobe. He seems to thrive on unwarranted praise > and attention. > Becky

julie (the currently irritable__sorry)

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> > WHOAA….you are on a roll Vernon!! > > — > > Lynda > Please don’t encourage this obviously deranged lunatic > homophobe. He seems to thrive on unwarranted praise > and attention. > Becky regards, > julie (the currently irritable__sorry)

I do not consider it one bit funny to poke fun at the NIMH, the U.S. Armed Forces, the mentally ill, or lesbians. My common law husband Josephine doesn’t think its politically correct either. Get a life! Becky

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > WHOAA….you are on a roll Vernon!! > > > — > > > Lynda > > Please don’t encourage this obviously deranged lunatic > > homophobe. He seems to thrive on unwarranted praise > > and attention. > > Becky > regards, > julie (the currently irritable__sorry) > I do not consider it one bit funny to poke fun at the NIMH, > the U.S. Armed Forces, the mentally ill, or lesbians. My > common law husband Josephine doesn’t think its politically > correct either. Get a life! > Becky

Vernon you are really a jackass, and a stupid one at that, your slimey tricks will back fire on you. Becky

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>Please don’t encourage this obviously deranged lunatic >homophobe. He seems to thrive on unwarranted praise >and attention. >Becky

You have promise as a regular flamer. I count 2 gratuitous attacks so far on people who have said nothing to you. Both these people are long time and well respected members of this forum. Now wipe the egg off your face and take a long hard look at yourself.

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becky and vernon——one and the same—each need a major butt spanking (unless they’re into that) geez, julie (gullible, irritable and won’t step in for the vernster, again)

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Noni users unite

admin — Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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> Please don’t take offense but I think you have a poor understanding of the > scientific method. Science is not causal like gravity. Simplistically, it > is a method to gain knowledge and to make predictions about outcomes. As > for alternative medicine, I believe most educated people are perfectly > willing to believe that a component of an herbal product may have a > desirable effect on human metabolism. They just want to see it demonstrated > experimentally and to have some confidence that what really is "in the > bottle" is what the manufacturer is asking them to believe is in the bottle.

Excellent statement. because, as I have said before, none of us has an infinite amount of money and time to try every proffered alternative remedy out there. There has to be some information that will let us determine which alternative remedies might work best for each of us. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Splendid moderate and thoughtful statement. Larry

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>> > I have direct evidence…I have SEEN changes take place in my own health >and > > others…not from noni but another supplement.

What’s the name of your supplement, if I may be so bold?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I have direct evidence…I have SEEN changes take place in my own health and >> others…not from noni but another supplement. I recently had my second >> bone density scan done….and much to my delight I have GAINED bone >> density…I also have a tumor (non-cancerous) on my left kidney which has >> decreased in size by over an inch. My cholesterol has always been in the >> 230-240 range…it is now at 149…HDL is 48, LDL 86, Triglycerides 73, >> glucose is 79 and my ratio is 3 to 1. I’ve done nothing different, no >> special diets, no medications….all I did was implement two "alternative >> approaches" into my life…That’s it. By the way…are there any MD’s or >> other medically knowledgable folks who can clue me in on what this 3 to 1 >> ratio thing is? I’ve never gotten this "reading" before and was so elated >> with the other numbers being read to me that I failed to ask….I’d be most >> curious to know. > This is not ‘direct evidence.’ The above is nothing more than an > antecode. And we all know just how useless altecodal evidence is. > "Antecodes" and "altecodals?" Methinks you’re not at your best today.

No, I like altecodals very much. It’s the sort of word often adopted by alt.usage.english and made a part of their special "in" vocabulary. I don’t care much for antecode. I will probably adopt altecodal myself, as a distinctly preferable spelling. Larry

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>> This is not ‘direct evidence.’ The above is nothing more than an > antecode. And we all know just how useless altecodal evidence is. >"Antecodes" and "altecodals?" Methinks you’re not at your best today.

Spell check gets me again. Critics of the war on terrorism don

prednisone side-effects

admin — Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Everyone > After some 5 blissful years on Singulair only, my asthma has returned with a > vengeance. It is usually a case of cold/flu –> bronchitis –> asthma, four > times already this year. Sometimes I get it under control to the point > where it is just coughing, and almost normal peak flows. After the latest > bout, my pulmonologist now opted for 40mg prednisone daily for three weeks. > After the first week there is still no signs of improvement. > This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in > particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really > bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage > treatments. What are your experiences ? > The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. > But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some > things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this > regard?

I did all the reading I could on this subject a few months ago. At least one doctor offered that long-term side effects are only a concern after 3 months of prednisone in normal doseages (of course, the doseage matters, I’m sure). I have also heard and read that the latest wisdom suggests a high dose gradually tapering. The last time I was given prednisone (happily for me it was a few years ago), it was 60mg on day 1, 50 on day 2, and so on, until 10mg on day 6. This was supposed to be as effective or more effective than taking 30-40mg for 10 days straight and easier on the rest of you. I’ve never had it prescribed to me for more than 10 days in a row but I have had no improvement after the first course of medicine. The recommendation has always been to wait a few days and, if there’s still no improvement, start another course. For me, several times the few days wait after the first course was over made the difference because that’s when I started to feel improvement. Hope this helps some. -S-

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Hi Everyone After some 5 blissful years on Singulair only, my asthma has returned with a vengeance. It is usually a case of cold/flu –> bronchitis –> asthma, four times already this year. Sometimes I get it under control to the point where it is just coughing, and almost normal peak flows. After the latest bout, my pulmonologist now opted for 40mg prednisone daily for three weeks. After the first week there is still no signs of improvement. This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage treatments. What are your experiences ? The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this regard? Thanks for your support ! Regards Jacob

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Hi Jacob. Pred used for a long term can cause a lot of arthritis issues. 40mg is not that high of a dose but ask your dr about taking something to protect your bones like calcium with D. UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone > After some 5 blissful years on Singulair only, my asthma has returned with a > vengeance. It is usually a case of cold/flu –> bronchitis –> asthma, four > times already this year. Sometimes I get it under control to the point > where it is just coughing, and almost normal peak flows. After the latest > bout, my pulmonologist now opted for 40mg prednisone daily for three weeks. > After the first week there is still no signs of improvement. > This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in > particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really > bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage > treatments. What are your experiences ? > The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. > But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some > things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this > regard? > Thanks for your support ! > Regards > Jacob

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The most common error made, if it is decided that steroids must be used, is to start with too low a dose during the first several days. You may now be in a situation of needing an increase, to catch up on your asthma, before again trying to taper to a low dose and then off the drug. If you give enough initially, let’s say 80 mg/day, for several days until the asthma breaks, you can then taper more rapidly. A high initial dose does not increase the long-term side effects, and usually shortens the duration of steroid treatment. I am not saying that your doctor began an improper dose, as this is a matter of experience and of evaluation of an individual case, but as a general point for all to consider when pushed to the point of need for steroids. Remember, there is no such thing as an acute overdose or poisonous single dose of prednisone. Larry

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> Hi Everyone > After some 5 blissful years on Singulair only, my asthma has returned with a > vengeance. It is usually a case of cold/flu –> bronchitis –> asthma, four > times already this year. Sometimes I get it under control to the point > where it is just coughing, and almost normal peak flows. After the latest > bout, my pulmonologist now opted for 40mg prednisone daily for three weeks. > After the first week there is still no signs of improvement. > This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in > particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really > bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage > treatments. What are your experiences ?

It raised my blood pressure. A lot. My blood pressure was normal without it. With it, it shot up to 166 (and might have gone higher if I hadn’t stopped it). — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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>This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in >particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really >bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage >treatments. What are your experiences ?

I would not expect long-term side effects form this ‘pred burst.’ Do not surprised if you experience short-term side effects. (Many of which will make you uncomfortable.) >The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. >But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some >things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this >regard?

Follow the instructions and take the pred with food. Otherwise, take each side effect as it comes. "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Newton But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Carl Sagan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone > This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in > particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really > bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage > treatments. What are your experiences ? > The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. > But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some > things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this > regard? > Thanks for your support ! > Regards > Jacob

There is a variety of side-effects. For the muscle/joint aches, I use long, hot baths to relax and indulge in a professional massage occasionally. If you are to be on pred for quite a while, then have your eyes tested for glaucoma periodically and get a DEXA (bone density) test since there can be bone mineral loss. Include potassium/calcium rich foods in your diet, and watch your salt intake. Always take pred with food to avoid stomach miseries.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone > This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis > in > particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really > bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage > treatments. What are your experiences ? > The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me > really. > But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do > some > things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this > regard? > Thanks for your support ! > Regards > Jacob > There is a variety of side-effects. For the muscle/joint aches, I use long, > hot baths to relax and indulge in a professional massage occasionally. If > you are to be on pred for quite a while, then have your eyes tested for > glaucoma periodically and get a DEXA (bone density) test since there can be > bone mineral loss. Include potassium/calcium rich foods in your diet, and > watch your salt intake. Always take pred with food to avoid stomach > miseries.

Long term use can also cause cateracts. sue

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->After some 5 blissful years on Singulair only, my asthma has returned with a >vengeance. It is usually a case of cold/flu –> bronchitis –> asthma, four >times already this year. Sometimes I get it under control to the point >where it is just coughing, and almost normal peak flows. After the latest >bout, my pulmonologist now opted for 40mg prednisone daily for three weeks. >After the first week there is still no signs of improvement. >This scares me. I am really worried about the side effects (osteoporosis in >particular). The information on the net and pamphlets say that the really >bad effects only start after four weeks, or on long term high dosage >treatments. What are your experiences ? >The fact of the matter is that there are not a lot of choices for me really. >But if I’m in for some unfortunate side-effects, I should be able to do some >things to get them counter-acted. What advice could you give me in this >regard? >Thanks for your support ! >Regards >Jacob

Hiya Jacob – I’ve been on daily prednisone for about 5 years now. Yes there are side effects, but they are treatable. First, and I cant say this strongly enough – YOU MUST KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOUR DOCTOR VERY OFTEN. At first I went once a week, then every other week. We kept playing with the dose of prednisone, to try to lower it as much as possible without my peak flow going too low. Take calcium supplements+vitamin D. Try to choose calcium enriched foods, such as OJ, cereals, and breads, besides the low fat dairy and dark, leafy greens that we know has calcium. My big side effects are hair thinning and major weight gain. There isnt much you can do about either, except eat a healthy diet that would have you losing weight if you werent on steroids, and lots of body building mousse, LOL. Surprisingly, I havent had the arthritis complications. I have Fibromyalgia, and they seem to think that it WASNT caused by the steroids. Go figure. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Life is uncertain – eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: )

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Asthma as a chronic infection. Effect of cortison spray.

admin — Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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> > > See last words "Our results do not indicate an increased risk of > > diabetes among current users of inhaled corticosteroids." (and > > first words "There is evidence that large doses of inhaled > > corticosteroids lead to an increased risk of glaucoma, cataracts > > and other problems associated with oral corticosteroid use.") > Especially read the word "large." > The crux of the matter is, how is an ordinary user to know what dose > of inhaled corticosteroids is "large"? Are we to presume that any > prescribed amount will not be large?

An ordinary user has his doctor(s) to consult. If you don’t trust your doctor to be both giving you proper medication in proper doses _and_ keeping up with the current literature, find another doctor. -S-

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> > See last words "Our results do not indicate an increased risk of > diabetes among current users of inhaled corticosteroids." (and > first words "There is evidence that large doses of inhaled > corticosteroids lead to an increased risk of glaucoma, cataracts > and other problems associated with oral corticosteroid use.") > Especially read the word "large."

The crux of the matter is, how is an ordinary user to know what dose of inhaled corticosteroids is "large"? Are we to presume that any prescribed amount will not be large? — (650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ Stay tuned. Technicians are working on the problem.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > See last words "Our results do not indicate an increased risk of > > diabetes among current users of inhaled corticosteroids." (and > > first words "There is evidence that large doses of inhaled > > corticosteroids lead to an increased risk of glaucoma, cataracts > > and other problems associated with oral corticosteroid use.") > Especially read the word "large." > The crux of the matter is, how is an ordinary user to know what dose > of inhaled corticosteroids is "large"? Are we to presume that any > prescribed amount will not be large?

You could look it up or ask. Ellis has posted the information about a billion times. — CBI, MD

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> See last words > "Our results do not indicate an increased risk of diabetes among current > users of inhaled corticosteroids." > (and first words "There is evidence that large doses of inhaled > corticosteroids lead to an increased risk of glaucoma, cataracts and > other problems associated with oral corticosteroid use.")

Especially read the word "large." — CBI, MD

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See last words "Our results do not indicate an increased risk of diabetes among current users of inhaled corticosteroids." (and first words "There is evidence that large doses of inhaled corticosteroids lead to an increased risk of glaucoma, cataracts and other problems associated with oral corticosteroid use.") – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eur Respir J 2002 > Mar;19(3):546-56 (per Medline ) > Role of persistent infection in the control and severity of asthma: > focus on Chlamydia pneumoniae. > This protein is able to elicit a strong host inflammatory response at > sites of its production and appears to be involved in tissue injury and > scarring processes. As inflammation has been found to be present in > almost all asthmatics, whatever the severity and aetiology of the > disease, inhaled glucocorticoids now have an established position in the > treatment of early stages. However, corticosteroids negatively affect > many aspects of cell-mediated immunity and favour the shift from a > T-helper-1-type response towards a T-helper-2-type response. > Corticosteroids may thus severely deteriorate the host’s ability to > eradicate an intracellular pathogen, such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, which > requires a properly functioning cell-mediated (T-helper-1-type) immune > response to be cleared. These drugs are also able to reactivate > persistent Chlamydia to an active growth phase, which, by increasing the > production of pro-inflammatory cytokines at the site of infection, can > further amplify inflammation in the airways of patients with asthma. > Regards, Richard Friedel > May also cause cataract’s and diabetes…see attached > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… > ds=12100226&dopt=Abstract > Regards > Mark

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Eur Respir J 2002 Mar;19(3):546-56 (per Medline ) Role of persistent infection in the control and severity of asthma: focus on Chlamydia pneumoniae. This protein is able to elicit a strong host inflammatory response at sites of its production and appears to be involved in tissue injury and scarring processes. As inflammation has been found to be present in almost all asthmatics, whatever the severity and aetiology of the disease, inhaled glucocorticoids now have an established position in the treatment of early stages. However, corticosteroids negatively affect many aspects of cell-mediated immunity and favour the shift from a T-helper-1-type response towards a T-helper-2-type response. Corticosteroids may thus severely deteriorate the host’s ability to eradicate an intracellular pathogen, such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, which requires a properly functioning cell-mediated (T-helper-1-type) immune response to be cleared. These drugs are also able to reactivate persistent Chlamydia to an active growth phase, which, by increasing the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines at the site of infection, can further amplify inflammation in the airways of patients with asthma. Regards, Richard Friedel

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eur Respir J 2002 > Mar;19(3):546-56 (per Medline ) > Role of persistent infection in the control and severity of asthma: > focus on Chlamydia pneumoniae. > This protein is able to elicit a strong host inflammatory response at > sites of its production and appears to be involved in tissue injury and > scarring processes. As inflammation has been found to be present in > almost all asthmatics, whatever the severity and aetiology of the > disease, inhaled glucocorticoids now have an established position in the > treatment of early stages. However, corticosteroids negatively affect > many aspects of cell-mediated immunity and favour the shift from a > T-helper-1-type response towards a T-helper-2-type response. > Corticosteroids may thus severely deteriorate the host’s ability to > eradicate an intracellular pathogen, such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, which > requires a properly functioning cell-mediated (T-helper-1-type) immune > response to be cleared. These drugs are also able to reactivate > persistent Chlamydia to an active growth phase, which, by increasing the > production of pro-inflammatory cytokines at the site of infection, can > further amplify inflammation in the airways of patients with asthma. > Regards, Richard Friedel

May also cause cataract’s and diabetes…see attached http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… ds=12100226&dopt=Abstract Regards Mark

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admin — Sun, 02 Jun 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Ha, ha…like I said before: lashing out at my husband works for me The last thing on my mind, after putting up with idiotic comments from coworkers all day, is picking up a paint brush. I wish Bin Laden had thought of that Seriously though, I completely understand where you’re coming from. I guess I was trying to make some sense of other’s negative behaviors. Whether we like it or not, there are going to be flame wars and trolls. Especially in a forum such as this, where there are no moderators. I too love to sing, though my neighbors beg me not to Jaz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Jas > I don’t think there is any *one* appropriate way. I think everyone needs > to find what works for them. For me, sometimes a good cry makes me feel > better. Usually, though, singing is my outlet. I love to sing, and can > usually find a song that expresses how I feel when I am having a hard > time putting it into words. Other people may use artwork, journaling, > manual labor, exercise, screaming into a pillow, etc. etc. I think the > list is endless. What works for you? > -Sandy

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Support is in the mind of the beholder just like beauty is in the eyes….. Make sense ? Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out > if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy > I have the freedom to do so. > Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the > necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with > coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We > hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. > With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG > ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, or we > wouldn’t return. > I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my > pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, > somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way > this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may > not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where > we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. > Jasmine

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Hi Jas I don’t think there is any *one* appropriate way. I think everyone needs to find what works for them. For me, sometimes a good cry makes me feel better. Usually, though, singing is my outlet. I love to sing, and can usually find a song that expresses how I feel when I am having a hard time putting it into words. Other people may use artwork, journaling, manual labor, exercise, screaming into a pillow, etc. etc. I think the list is endless. What works for you? -Sandy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Sandy, I never meant that it was ok; just that I can understood the > necessity for it. Out of curiousity, what’s an appropriate way to vent? > I’ve tried kickboxing, but the impact caused awful exursion headaches > Jasmine > Jasmine, I understand your point, and agree that we need to be able to > vent our anger and frustrations. However, I don’t agree that it is ok to > do so on each other. That would be like saying "I had a bad day, so that > makes it ok to cuss out or beat up my neighbor". I think we need to find > appropriate ways to do our venting, ways that don’t harm other people. > JMHO, of course. > -Sandy > > Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash > out > > if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m > happy > > I have the freedom to do so. > > Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the > > necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with > > coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. > We > > hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. > > With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this > NG > > ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, > or we > > wouldn’t return. > > I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash > my > > pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, > > somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way > > this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another > may > > not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place > where > > we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. > > Jasmine

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Jasmine, I understand your point, and agree that we need to be able to vent our anger and frustrations. However, I don’t agree that it is ok to do so on each other. That would be like saying "I had a bad day, so that makes it ok to cuss out or beat up my neighbor". I think we need to find appropriate ways to do our venting, ways that don’t harm other people. JMHO, of course. -Sandy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out > if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy > I have the freedom to do so. > Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the > necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with > coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We > hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. > With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG > ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, or we > wouldn’t return. > I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my > pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, > somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way > this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may > not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where > we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. > Jasmine

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Hi Sandy, I never meant that it was ok; just that I can understood the necessity for it. Out of curiousity, what’s an appropriate way to vent? I’ve tried kickboxing, but the impact caused awful exursion headaches Jasmine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jasmine, I understand your point, and agree that we need to be able to > vent our anger and frustrations. However, I don’t agree that it is ok to > do so on each other. That would be like saying "I had a bad day, so that > makes it ok to cuss out or beat up my neighbor". I think we need to find > appropriate ways to do our venting, ways that don’t harm other people. > JMHO, of course. > -Sandy > Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out > if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy > I have the freedom to do so. > Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the > necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with > coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We > hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. > With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG > ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, or we > wouldn’t return. > I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my > pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, > somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way > this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may > not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where > we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. > Jasmine

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Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy I have the freedom to do so. Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG ready to explode. We need each other. I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, somewhat and I respect him for that. I guess in a way this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. Thank You, Jasmine

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Hi Jasmine, I completely agree with you. You have put in a very succinct way was i have tried to explain in a previous post. I also have a similar situation with my partner/carer (we have been living together for over 4 years). Yes, your post made perfect sense. Thank you for posting, hope you are well, Take care, Iduna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out > if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy > I have the freedom to do so. > Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the > necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with > coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We > hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. > With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG > ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, or we > wouldn’t return. > I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my > pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, > somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way > this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may > not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where > we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. > Jasmine

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Being a chronic pain sufferer, I need a place where I can vent and lash out if need be. I haven’t had the need to do that in this group, but I’m happy I have the freedom to do so. Some flame wars get out of hand and way off topic, but I understand the necessity for them as well. On a daily basis we are bombarded with coworkers, family and friends who have no idea what we’re going through. We hear all kinds of stupid comments and questions regarding our illnesses. With all the stressors of the day, it’s no wonder some of us enter this NG ready to explode. We need each other, and do get something out of it, or we wouldn’t return. I love my husband with all my heart, but he’s usually the one I unleash my pain/anger on. He’s understanding, supportive, and open-minded (well, somewhat and I respect and appreciate him for that. I guess in a way this NG is the same thing for all of us. Those who oppose one another may not have love for the other, but still need one another – in a place where we can unload our frustration and be heard. Hope that made some sense. Jasmine

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Hi everyone: My name is Rennee’ and my husband has just been diagnosed with asthma. I lost my father 10 years ago due to asthma. My father was on prednisone for almost 18 years. Right now my husband is taking azmacort. I’m not familer with this medication. does anyone know anything about azmacort or is taking it

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> Hi Everyone: > My name is Rennee’ and my husband has been diagnosed with > asthma. I lost my father 10 years ago to asthma so I know > what alot of people go through with a family member that > has this dieses. My husband is taking azmacort. I’m not > familier with this medication. My father was on > prednisone. Unfortanily the doctors didn’t know the long > term affect. I do. My father was on it for almost 18 > years. If anyone is taking azmacort or is living with a > family member with asthma and you just want to chat feel > free to contact me. I wish I had a support group like this > when I was young and growing up with an asthmatic father.

I took Azmacort for about 2 years. I had no problem with it untill my asthma worsened so that I needed a stronger medication. Azmacort is a fairly inexpensive medication that has a good safety record. It is also a fairly ‘low- strength’ medication that seems to be popular with doctors in the treatment of mild asthma.

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Hi Everyone: My name is Rennee’ and my husband has been diagnosed with asthma. I lost my father 10 years ago to asthma so I know what alot of people go through with a family member that has this dieses. My husband is taking azmacort. I’m not familier with this medication. My father was on prednisone. Unfortanily the doctors didn’t know the long term affect. I do. My father was on it for almost 18 years. If anyone is taking azmacort or is living with a family member with asthma and you just want to chat feel free to contact me. I wish I had a support group like this when I was young and growing up with an asthmatic father. Thank you Rennee’

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how exactly do we get to the bi-polar cafe? i have IRC on my computer at work and home and would love to chat with some of you in Real Time…. jackie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: WebTV Subscriber > Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic > hi cog, just getting to know you in the cafe, i will listen any time. > lny

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/join #bipolarcafe is on DreamWaveNet A few servers (don’t know if they all work): london.uk.eu.dreamwave.org:6667 chex.pa.us.dreamwave.org:6667 phoenix.mo.us.dreamwave.org:6667 deception.on.ca.dreamwave.org:6667 pulsar.tas.au.dreamwave.org:6667 — Hugs, http://www.angelfire.com/id/phoenixacroteam/biopatio.html — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> how exactly do we get to the bi-polar cafe? i have IRC on my computer at > work and home and would love to chat with some of you in Real Time…. > jackie > Organization: WebTV Subscriber > Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic > hi cog, just getting to know you in the cafe, i will listen any time. > lny

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Thanks,, lny52,, yes it has been ok at the cafe,, i apprecaite your resonse for that matters every ones at least it shows there are some people that care we all at times need to know that i certainly do know as i face some hard times thanks again,,cog

hi cog, just getting to know you in the cafe, i will listen any time. lny

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just wanted to thank everybody here for the support i recieved and I am also very thankful to the forum i am with that has offered so much support thanks for not asking me a bunch or questions .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >anybody know where you can find support and love >sure could use a little,,, cog

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Hi Cog, I am fairly new here also, and everyone here is GREAT you’ll see ) Alway’s willing to listen and encourage each other!! Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > anybody know where you can find support and love > sure could use a little,,, cog

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thanks vernon but I’m pretty much tapped out on love right now ,,need a refill,,cog

I remember, you have to give a little to get a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->little, thats the glory of love. >((((((((((((((((((((((Cog))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Thanks Klass. cog hugs are nice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Here! In this newsgroup >– >Hugs, >Klaas >>

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thanks for your support, bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >wow. harpy.

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Man i am down and those hugs are great you have been a good freind,,thanks Lynda love you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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you have no Idea how good this sounds!!!thanks for the smooches my friend, lov,,cog smooches and, holiday hugs Mrs. Shoen Valentines – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Day is soon to arrive so I have reserved your usual suite in the west >wing.

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THANKS CINDY i REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT!!!! cog – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->see ) >Alway’s willing to listen and encourage each other!! >Cindy

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hi cog, just getting to know you in the cafe, i will listen any time. lny

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> anybody know where you can find support and love > sure could use a little,,, cog

Well let see now I thought I saw some support and love lurking around here…….now where was it? In the closet, no. On the back porch, no. Oh my, where could I have mislaid it. I remember, you have to give a little to get a little, thats the glory of love. ((((((((((((((((((((((Cog)))))))))))))))))))))))) Hang in there. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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anybody know where you can find support and love sure could use a little,,, cog

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Here! In this newsgroup — Hugs, http://www.angelfire.com/id/phoenixacroteam/biopatio.html — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> anybody know where you can find support and love > sure could use a little,,, cog

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wow. harpy.

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> anybody know where you can find support and love > sure could use a little,,, cog

Hi cog, How are you my friend? Sound rathr down. What can I do to help? ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((cog))))))))))))))))))))))))) Love, Lynda — Lynda

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Hi and Welcome to ASDM. > are there any support groups for wives of people with manic depression? my > sister lives in cleveland and is very distraught, her husband is very sick > and she could use a support group, thx

Here are some resources: The link for the BPSO (bipolar significant others) public pages is: www.angelfire.com/zine/manic. On-line support for significant others of bipolar patients. There is an online support group for the families, friends, and loved ones of those who have BP: http://www.bpso.org Also: http://www.pendulum.org/articles/best_to_say.htm http://www.pendulum.org/articles/worst_to_say.htm http://www.save.org/depfacts.html Here is an excellent book: "Bipolar Disorder: A Guide for Patients and Families" by Francis Mark Mondimore (Johns Hopkins) What is Manic-Depression (Bipolar Disorder)? Manic-depressive illness (or bipolar disorder ) is a mental illness involving episodes of serious mania and depression. The person’s mood usually swings from overly "high" and irritable to sad and hopeless, and then back again, with periods of normal mood in between. Bipolar disorder typically begins in adolescence or early adulthood and continues throughout life. An overview and introduction to bipolar disorder published by the National Institute for Mental Health called Bipolar Disorder is available at http://www.nimh.nih.gov/dart1/bipolar/bipolar.htm Symptoms of MANIA include: * Abnormally and persistently elevated mood or irritable mood * Decreased need for sleep * Continuous high energy * Racing thoughts * Overly-inflated self-esteem * Distractibility * Increased talkativeness * Increased goal-directed activity or physical agitation * Excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences. GETTING STARTED WITH BIPOLAR INTERNET SITES 1. Start with the alt.support.depression.manic FAQ (responses to Frequently Asked Questions) The alt.support.depression.manic FAQ is an internet "classic," a set of questions (and answers) written by people struggling with bipolar disorder for other bipolars, and their families and friends that deal with topics like: * What is Bipolar Disorder? * What treatment options are available? * I’ve just been diagnosed. What do I do now? * A friend or family member has just been diagnosed. What can I do to help? * How do I find more information about Bipolar Disorder? Bipolar Disorder Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) File (Version 1.1, 9/25/96) http://www.moodswing.org/bdfaq.html Web pages created by people who have bipolar disorder The Pendulum Resources home page is a collaborative effort, created and maintained by bipolar members of the Pendulum mailing list. It includes all of the basics you would expect from a comprehensive bipolar site (the a.s.d.m. FAQ listed above, diagnostic criteria for bipolar disorder, a bibliography, famous bipolar individuals). In addition, it has: * Links to bipolar home pages of note * Best (and worst) things to say to someone who is depressed * Several humor sections * Alternative treatments to be used in addition to (or, much more dangerously, instead of) standard medical treatment The Pendulum Resources Bipolar Disorders Portal http://www.pendulum.org/ Joy Ikelman’s bipolar site on bipolar disorder combines solid information with a very personal touch. Her site again includes the basics and adds unique features such as: * Direction to a suicide crisis intervention internet site * A listing of feature-length movies, made-for-TV movies, and documentaries of interest to people with bipolar disorder and other mental illnesses * Scientific abstracts concerning comorbid (co-existent) psychiatric disorders that bipolar patients are known to experience in addition to their bipolar disorder * Help in determining who else in your family tree may have had bipolar disorder. The signs of undiagnosed mental illnesses to look for in your family tree. Joy Ikelman’s (famous) bipolar home page http://www.frii.com/~parrot/bip.html Moodswing.org. Barry Campbell created a "Resource Page" for people with bipolar disorder. He has a good links page which points you to other internet resources. Moodswing.org http://www.moodswing.org/links.html The Mental Health Net was not written or maintained by bipolars, but it does offer an extensive links page to a wide variety of internet links, and provides a rating system (1-5 stars) for the links . It is also useful in that it provides links to the various manic-depressive newsgroups, such as alt.support.depression.manic, to mailing lists such as pendulum, and it has an extensive set of links to articles about manic-depression. Mental Health Net http://mentalhelp.net/guide/bipolar.htm Peace, Lynda

Response:

emphysema and buteyko

admin — Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

> >I tried Buteyko and found it very helpful. It may not solve the problem but >it did improve my asthma. > Did it improve your asthma? Or did it just fool you into thinking you > were better?

How can I distinguish between the two cases? > BTW, did the Buteyko supporters tell you that the ‘Brisbane’ study > which they cite as ‘proof.’ Is tainted by lies and academic fraud? > If the treatment were as good as claimed the supporters would not have > to lie.

How do you know that? I have never met/ contacted a supporter, just made a search on the Internet about asthma and that was the most interesting thing I found. I also found some yoga site that was talking about almost the same things without mentioning Buteyko.

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>There was a Yahoo group as of a year ago.

It is still going strong ….. For information on Buteyko Breathing Therapy provided by grateful users. http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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>I tried Buteyko and found it very helpful. It may not solve the problem but >it did improve my asthma. >I started it about a month ago, spent about $10 to buy a book and feel much >better now. I even tried the "mouth taping" and even my girlfriend noticed >that my breathing became smooth and quiet. >About "gambling with your health" – for years the doctors said that jogging >is good. Now it’s bad because it harms your knees. Thay say Ventolin is >good… They say… You cannot say what is gambling and what is not if you >are not a doctor, and even than you can make a mistake.

At least some of what doctors say is good for one is based on scientific studies that have passed peer review. The only study on Buteyko failed peer review i.e. was flawed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >how do you know? have you tried it with no results? > I value my health and am not willing to take that risk. > "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – > with the determination of our people – > we will gain the inevitable triumph – > so help us god." > Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

– Five Cats

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>> hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a > newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises > and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold > your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it > again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously? > thanks > jeremy >I think it’s accepted by researchers that breathing technique can be beneficial >to COPD sufferers. >The trick is to breathe out much slower than in.

That is the natural breathing rhythm….. > Also use the nose as a heat >and moisture exchanger. >Avoid mouth breathing. >Bill > — > {** I see a world where people live > and die with grace. +Live+ **} > {** Today we lived a thousand years, > All we have is now. +Live+ **}

– Five Cats

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>I tried Buteyko and found it very helpful. It may not solve the problem but >it did improve my asthma.

Did it improve your asthma? Or did it just fool you into thinking you were better? BTW, did the Buteyko supporters tell you that the ‘Brisbane’ study which they cite as ‘proof.’ Is tainted by lies and academic fraud? If the treatment were as good as claimed the supporters would not have to lie. "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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>I tried Buteyko and found it very helpful. It may not solve the problem but >it did improve my asthma. > Did it improve your asthma? Or did it just fool you into thinking you > were better?

There was an interesting article in the 8 Feb 2002 Science (p947). It discussed the placebo effect and shoed that a placebo activated the same neuronal network as the opioid analgesics. Here’s the link if you care to view it. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/295/5557/947a

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I tried Buteyko and found it very helpful. It may not solve the problem but it did improve my asthma. I started it about a month ago, spent about $10 to buy a book and feel much better now. I even tried the "mouth taping" and even my girlfriend noticed that my breathing became smooth and quiet. About "gambling with your health" – for years the doctors said that jogging is good. Now it’s bad because it harms your knees. Thay say Ventolin is good… They say… You cannot say what is gambling and what is not if you are not a doctor, and even than you can make a mistake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->how do you know? have you tried it with no results? > I value my health and am not willing to take that risk. > "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – > with the determination of our people – > we will gain the inevitable triumph – > so help us god." > Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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> hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a > newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises > and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold > your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it > again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously? > thanks > jeremy

I think it’s accepted by researchers that breathing technique can be beneficial to COPD sufferers. The trick is to breathe out much slower than in. Also use the nose as a heat and moisture exchanger. Avoid mouth breathing. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > {** I see a world where people live > and die with grace. +Live+ **} > {** Today we lived a thousand years, > All we have is now. +Live+ **}

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> hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a > newsgroup for that, so here i am.

There is a nice Internet mailing list at www.copd-support.com The mailing list is for anyone with COPD: emphysema, chronic bronchitis, both. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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> > oh, well i wasn’t about to give my money away period, especially not on > something that has no backing from the medical profession, but i’m willing > to give it a try. > And that’s what they count on…someone just ‘giving it a try’. There is > much on the ‘net to discredit this scam, not the least of which is their own > flawed study.

Like other quacks, they also count on one more thing–the reluctance of people to post anecdotal negative experiences (treatment failures). We see countless posts by folks who claim to have tried some unproven remedy (Buteyko, dietary supplements, etc.), and found it works great for them. Rarely do we get posts from people who report that the remedies didn’t work, or hurt them in some way. So there’s a real bias toward optimism and "miracle" cures on both the Internet and in the mass media. When they thought that diet could prevent breast cancer, that made headlines and was featured on prominent TV news shows. After the clinical trials were failures, that story got buried on the back page somewhere. The real big story about diet is: Diet does not cure any diseases except nutrient-deficiency diseases like pellagra and beri-beri. But you probably have never seen that story on TV. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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>i don’t see how i would be gambling. are their any harmful effects from >reduced breathing and the control pause? i’m really asking. i don’t do the >max pause or the taping of the mouth during sleep stuff.

That is the question. Since everything that has an effect on the body will also have side effects – there are three possibilities: 1) It does nothing, and also has no side effects. 2) It does something and has unknown side effects. 3) It does nothing, but has unknown side effects. "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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> oh, well i wasn’t about to give my money away period, especially not on > something that has no backing from the medical profession, but i’m willing > to give it a try.

And that’s what they count on…someone just ‘giving it a try’. There is much on the ‘net to discredit this scam, not the least of which is their own flawed study.

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> i don’t see how i would be gambling. are their any harmful effects from > reduced breathing and the control pause? i’m really asking. i don’t do the > max pause or the taping of the mouth during sleep stuff.

One of the main dangers is being lulled into a false sense of security, and neglecting to use real treatments that work. One of the anthems of the Buteyko guys is to ‘throw away your inhalers’. Any time someone promises a cure for a disease without a cure, it’s called a scam…

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>how do you know? have you tried it with no results?

I value my health and am not willing to take that risk. "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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>oh, well i wasn’t about to give my money away period, especially not on >something that has no backing from the medical profession, but i’m willing >to give it a try.

So you are willing to gamble with your health? "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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i don’t see how i would be gambling. are their any harmful effects from reduced breathing and the control pause? i’m really asking. i don’t do the max pause or the taping of the mouth during sleep stuff. — {** I see a world where people live and die with grace. +Live+ **} {** Today we lived a thousand years, All we have is now. +Live+ **}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->oh, well i wasn’t about to give my money away period, especially not on >something that has no backing from the medical profession, but i’m willing >to give it a try. > So you are willing to gamble with your health? > "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – > with the determination of our people – > we will gain the inevitable triumph – > so help us god." > Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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>there’s noone there. i think the newsgroup died a few years ago. i checked >on deja.

Sounds like people started catching on. "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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There was a Yahoo group as of a year ago. Don’t ask too many questions. They will kick you out. You understand they think that your lung condition is the result of your overbreathing, and has nothing to do with your genetics or smoking?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a > newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises > and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold > your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it > again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously? > thanks > jeremy > — > {** I see a world where people live > and die with grace. +Live+ **} > {** Today we lived a thousand years, > All we have is now. +Live+ **}

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> how do you know? have you tried it with no results? > —

Go to this link and do a search of alt.support.asthma for the keyword buteyko and you will discover for yourself what response buteyko gets on this newsgroup. Perhaps it will also lead you to a site where you can give your money away for nothing. http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en PS Why do you think their newsgroup "died a couple years ago"?

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oh, well i wasn’t about to give my money away period, especially not on something that has no backing from the medical profession, but i’m willing to give it a try. — {** I see a world where people live and die with grace. +Live+ **} {** Today we lived a thousand years, All we have is now. +Live+ **}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> how do you know? have you tried it with no results? > — > Go to this link and do a search of alt.support.asthma for the keyword > buteyko and you will discover for yourself what response buteyko gets on > this newsgroup. Perhaps it will also lead you to a site where you can give > your money away for nothing. > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en > PS Why do you think their newsgroup "died a couple years ago"?

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there’s noone there. i think the newsgroup died a few years ago. i checked on deja. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why not ask on the specific Buteyko newsgroup?

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how do you know? have you tried it with no results? — {** I see a world where people live and die with grace. +Live+ **} {** Today we lived a thousand years, All we have is now. +Live+ **}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a >newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises >and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold >your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it >again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously? > Your best bet is to avoid those frauds. And yes, you have been taken > by a fraud. > "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – > with the determination of our people – > we will gain the inevitable triumph – > so help us god." > Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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>hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a >newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises >and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold >your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it >again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously?

Your best bet is to avoid those frauds. And yes, you have been taken by a fraud. "With Confidence in our Armed Forces – with the determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us god." Franklin Delano Roseveldt, 8 december 1941

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>hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a >newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises >and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold >your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it >again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously?

Why not ask on the specific Buteyko newsgroup? >thanks > jeremy >– >{** I see a world where people live > and die with grace. +Live+ **} >{** Today we lived a thousand years, > All we have is now. +Live+ **}

– Five Cats

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hi everyone. i am new to this group. i have emphysema, but couldn’t find a newsgroup for that, so here i am. i have just started DIY buteyko exercises and i had a question about reduced breathing. when doing this, do you hold your breath for a little bit, then breathe shallow in and out, then hold it again, etc… or do you breathe shallow continuously? thanks jeremy — {** I see a world where people live and die with grace. +Live+ **} {** Today we lived a thousand years, All we have is now. +Live+ **}

Response:

long time cough

admin — Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

> Five years ago my MIL developed a wheeze and cough following a knee > replacement. We’ve always wondered if there was a connection. She has been > coughing almost continually ever since. She has had physicals, seen > allergists, pulmonary studies (normal), cardiology studies, been on all > kinds of antibiotics and asthma drugs, expectorants and decongestants, and > long term steroids. No one has been able to determine the cause of her > cough or to relieve it. It has affected the quality of her life (she’s now > 71). Any ideas? Thanks

See these links on cough: http://www.vh.org/Providers/ClinRef/FPHandbook/Chapter04/10-4.html Pulmonary Medicine: Evaluation of the Chronic Cough "I. Most common causes in order of frequency. Postnasal drip/chronic sinusitis, asthma, including postviral reactive airways, GE reflux disease. Consider also medication (ACE inhibitors), CHF, pertussis, TB. Pertussis in adults may present only with chronic cough and may be present despite childhood immunization and represent 21% of those with chronic cough in one series (check acute and convalescent titers). II.One Approach. A.Treat with antihistamine or decongestant empirically. Consider course of antibiotics for sinusitis if appropriate. B.If positive titer for pertussis, treat with erythromycin or other macrolide. C.If this fails, do bronchoprovocation testing for asthma and treat patients with positive results with beta-agonists and prednisone (if fail, beta- agonists alone). D.If cough continues or bronchoprovocation is negative, do CXR and sinus CT. Treat positives. E.Evaluate negatives for GE reflux and give trial of H2-blocker. F.If patient still coughing, consider bronchoscopy. G.This approach leads to successful treatment in 96% (though there are recurrences)." http://www.aafp.org/afp/981200ap/lawler.html An Office Approach to the Diagnosis of Chronic Cough [American Academy of Family Physicians] http://www.chestnet.org/health.science.policy/patient.education.guide… Cough [patient info] Ellis

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Five years ago my MIL developed a wheeze and cough following a knee replacement. We’ve always wondered if there was a connection. She has been coughing almost continually ever since. She has had physicals, seen allergists, pulmonary studies (normal), cardiology studies, been on all kinds of antibiotics and asthma drugs, expectorants and decongestants, and long term steroids. No one has been able to determine the cause of her cough or to relieve it. It has affected the quality of her life (she’s now 71). Any ideas? Thanks

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> Five years ago my MIL developed a wheeze and cough following a knee > replacement. We’ve always wondered if there was a connection. She has been > coughing almost continually ever since.

Can you give us some more info: When you say "ever since," do you mean that the wheeze & cough developed in only a week or so after the surgery? If so, that sounds like one of two things: – phlebitis: A blood clot occurred, and traveled to the lung. – a reaction or damage caused by anesthesia or blood thinners when she was intubated. Those things happen more often than surgeons are willing to admit. Your MIL should ask for a copy of the surgeon’s surgery report, which will indicate what anesthetics were used, and whether any anomalies occurred during the operation. What medications is your MIL taking on a regular basis? There are prescription meds that can actually cause chronic cough and even bronchospasm. It’s remarkable how many physicians just don’t know about those side effects which are considered "rare" (incidence under 1%). Finally, you may want to repost your query to sci.med That deals with more general medical issues, and you might get more pointers there. Good luck. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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Home Blood Oxygen Meters?

admin — Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >that the principle effect of detecting mildly low oxygen levels in > >clinically stable asthmatics is to increase hospitalizations. > >– > I think this is exactly right, fill up a bed. > While the hospital that employs the ER doc certainly doesn’t mind the bed > being filled I think the ER doc is acting more from the medical culture that > says every abnormality must be found and treated and fear of litigation. The > damned things have become the standard of care with little validation. It > will be hard to put the genie back into the bottle. > — > CBI, MD

There also may be operant here what I call the Technological Imperative: If it can be done, it should be done. The Imperative controls the situation regardless of actual need. Larry Larry

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> > Is there anything less expensive out there to monitor blood oxygen? The > last time I had mine checked was before I got treatment for my allergies > and asthma and it was 95% in the doctor’s office, a number they weren’t > too pleased with. > You can a completely self-contained fingertip model pulse oximeter for > $400 online, only proviso is you need a script to get one; try doing a > search on the Nonin Onyx 9500.

I found a site for airline pilots that will sell you the 9500 without a script (wink) for "professional use only." Try metacrawler if you’re interested.

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> I’m not sure why they weren’t happy with the 95% number. It is normal.

My doctor told me that 98-100% was normal and 95% was low. They seemed to imply that I shouldn’t feel 100% OK if the number was a lot less than 100%, no pun intended. While perhaps they and I both overreacted to the 95% number, it and other information I received brought me to the realization that my breathing situation was _not_ normal and got me looking for, and receiving, help. > I’m > also not sure of what good the oxymeter will do for you since oxygen levels > don’t drop until relatively late in an attack – you will know you are in > trouble long before this.

I do not suffer from life-threatening asthma nor dehabilitating attacks. I have a fairly simple (in my mind, anyway) case of residual damage from a childhood filled with respiratory illnesses – Serevent for my lungs, Allegra for my allergies and I feel like I function as almost completely normal. I’m just curious to know if I measure that way now that I’ve found treatment that works for me. I bought a peak flow meter for $20 and was hoping that blood oxygen meters were similarly inexpensive. I guess I’ll go back to the doctor and have them measure me again. > In addition, the routine use of the oxymeter as a > "vital sign" is controversial. It has never been shown that detecting mildly > low oxygen levels in people who were otherwise clinically felt to be stable > enough to be treated as outpatients provides any benefit.

I don’t see how "detecting mildly low oxygen levels" of and unto itself could "provide any benefit" – it’s the treatment that provides the benefit, and knowing of my low numbers prompted me to seek treatment, a multi-year process of experimenting with medications under my doctor’s care that’s been nothing short of wonderfully successful for me. Well worth having the knowledge in my case. -S-

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> I was hoping getting a blood oxygen meter would be inexpensive, like a > peak flow meter, but my local store told me they’re $800 and have to be > special ordered. > Is there anything less expensive out there to monitor blood oxygen? The > last time I had mine checked was before I got treatment for my allergies > and asthma and it was 95% in the doctor’s office, a number they weren’t > too pleased with. > Thanks in advance. > -S-

According to this link, a normal oxygen level [SaO2] is 94-100% at sea level. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003855.htm Blood Gases The finger clip on models can be purchased for around $400; they measure SaO2 and pulse rate. Links [commercial]: http://www.avweb.com/articles/oximeter.html Nonin Onyx Pulse Oximeter http://www.aeromedix.com/ http://www.aeromedix.com/products/pulseox/pox_avia.html some models FDA approved, some not Ellis

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Thank you. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was hoping getting a blood oxygen meter would be inexpensive, like a > peak flow meter, but my local store told me they’re $800 and have to be > special ordered. > Is there anything less expensive out there to monitor blood oxygen? The > last time I had mine checked was before I got treatment for my allergies > and asthma and it was 95% in the doctor’s office, a number they weren’t > too pleased with. > Thanks in advance. > -S- > According to this link, a normal oxygen level [SaO2] > is 94-100% at sea level. > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003855.htm > Blood Gases > The finger clip on models can be purchased for around $400; > they measure SaO2 and pulse rate. > Links [commercial]: > http://www.avweb.com/articles/oximeter.html > Nonin Onyx Pulse Oximeter > http://www.aeromedix.com/ > http://www.aeromedix.com/products/pulseox/pox_avia.html > some models FDA approved, some not > Ellis

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steve, i’m interested in the Serevent, it’s strenght, type of pill ?big? little? and cost if you don’t mind .feel better. barbra

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Serevent is inhaled. Two puffs twice a day is the usual dosage. I don’t know the cost – gets delivered from the local pharmacy, we have some sort of prescription plan, and I just pay whatever they tell me to at the end of the month. When I started using Serevent I completely stopped needing Albuterol/Proventil. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > steve, i’m interested in the Serevent, it’s strenght, type of pill ?big? > little? and cost if you don’t mind .feel better. barbra

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>that the principle effect of detecting mildly low oxygen levels in >clinically stable asthmatics is to increase hospitalizations. >–

I think this is exactly right, fill up a bed.

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>that the principle effect of detecting mildly low oxygen levels in >clinically stable asthmatics is to increase hospitalizations. >– > I think this is exactly right, fill up a bed.

While the hospital that employs the ER doc certainly doesn’t mind the bed being filled I think the ER doc is acting more from the medical culture that says every abnormality must be found and treated and fear of litigation. The damned things have become the standard of care with little validation. It will be hard to put the genie back into the bottle. — CBI, MD

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I was hoping getting a blood oxygen meter would be inexpensive, like a peak flow meter, but my local store told me they’re $800 and have to be special ordered. Is there anything less expensive out there to monitor blood oxygen? The last time I had mine checked was before I got treatment for my allergies and asthma and it was 95% in the doctor’s office, a number they weren’t too pleased with. Thanks in advance. -S-

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You can a completely self-contained fingertip model pulse oximeter for $400 online, only proviso is you need a script to get one; try doing a search on the Nonin Onyx 9500.

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When my office looked into getting one I’m sure we found them for less. I don’t believe you need a prescription to buy one. Try shopping around at different medical supply sources. I’m not sure why they weren’t happy with the 95% number. It is normal. I’m also not sure of what good the oxymeter will do for you since oxygen levels don’t drop until relatively late in an attack – you will know you are in trouble long before this. In addition, the routine use of the oxymeter as a "vital sign" is controversial. It has never been shown that detecting mildly low oxygen levels in people who were otherwise clinically felt to be stable enough to be treated as outpatients provides any benefit. (The use of oxymeters for monitoring sedation/anesthesia and in monitoring oxygen therapy in hospitalized patients – the intended uses of the machines- is another matter) Many doctors, especially older ones, point out that in the days before pulse oxymetry these patients would be sent home, apparently without ill effect. This is yet another example of technology that has been widely adopted prior to good studies and now is so firmly entrenched that it may never be adequately evaluated or discarded. A similar example, I fear, is labor monitors, which have been shown conclusively to do nothing more than increase the cesarean rate, yet, are still widely used due to fear of litigation. Along the same lines I suspect that the principle effect of detecting mildly low oxygen levels in clinically stable asthmatics is to increase hospitalizations. — CBI, MD

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How long?

admin — Wed, 06 Mar 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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How many of you in this group have been depressed with next to no feelings of happiness your entire lives? A lifetime of depression. How many have only been depressed a certain fraction of their lives and can remember what it was once like to feel happiness? Which is worse: -To have never known happiness or some sense of joy, so in effect not know what it is like and what you are missing. -Or to have once felt good feelings and laughter and to know how good things can be without depression but realize you may never experience the highs again. There are of course varying degrees and levels of depression. I myself can still remember the highs and good times which occured before my depression started 10 years ago. Strangely I often remember what it was like to be very happy when I am dreaming and asleep. I usually wake up in a cold sweat with my heart pounding thinking that I may never get back what I have lost. Ever. A shitty feeling, but there has to be some tiny spark of hope or optimism in me somewhere or I would have packed it in years ago. VanMan

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> A shitty feeling, but there has to be some tiny spark of hope or > optimism in me somewhere or I would have packed it in years ago.

dear VanMan, I am sorry to hear of your plight – i strongly believe that you have not been correctly treated and that is why you are still suffering after 10 years. Please find another doctor or reassess your medication. I have not been depressed, not one day, since taking lithium – it is a miracle drug in that respect – I have experienced deep grief at events of death etc., but not depression. I do not know what it is like to be depressed since taking the drug. That does not mean my life is perfect – I have problems, but depression is not one of them. Please find a doctor to get you the right drug, I don’t know what you are taking now. take care Squiggles

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Ahedoynia is the name for the condition you describe, VanMan.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How many of you in this group have been depressed with next to no > feelings of happiness your entire lives? A lifetime of depression. > How many have only been depressed a certain fraction of their lives > and can remember what it was once like to feel happiness? > Which is worse: > -To have never known happiness or some sense of joy, so in effect not > know what it is like and what you are missing. > -Or to have once felt good feelings and laughter and to know how good > things can be without depression but realize you may never experience > the highs again. > There are of course varying degrees and levels of depression. I myself > can still remember the highs and good times which occured before my > depression started 10 years ago. Strangely I often remember what it > was like to be very happy when I am dreaming and asleep. I usually > wake up in a cold sweat with my heart pounding thinking that I may > never get back what I have lost. Ever. > A shitty feeling, but there has to be some tiny spark of hope or > optimism in me somewhere or I would have packed it in years ago. > VanMan

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> Ahedoynia is the name for the condition you describe, VanMan.

Thanks Steve and Squiggles, The term is "Anhedonia" which means simply loss of joy, I think almost anyone who suffers from depression experiences this. I have been through almost every available AD that has been marketed and am treatment resistant it seems, even once took a shot at the rTMS trials. I have been off all medications for around 4-5 years, and am relatively stable. No complete bottoming out or suicidal episodes. I was actually more interested to see how many people in this group have experienced a life long feeling of depression and if not when and how their depression started. VanMan

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In the last 13 years, I’ve spent 6 of them in major depression. The treatment resistant type. We did get lucky for a while, but then, boom, the floor would fall away. Carrie

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Interesting question. I had Hodgkins in 1983 and had full torso radiation treatment. The only organs that were blocked from radiation were my kidneys. I received the so called maximum "safe" dose of radiation. Two years ago, within a few months, I was diagnosed with breast cancer, asthma and diabetes. It was confirmed by doctors that my asthma and breast cancer were almost certainly caused by the radiation that I had and now I wouldn’t have received the amount of radiation I received back in 1983. I am not obese but could stand to lose the proverbial 10-20 lbs. Could the radiation I received also have caused my diabetes? The doctors don’t know the answer to that one and I have not been able to find any information on that on the internet.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sender: "Old Al" > The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They >found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the > average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost >about 50% of their insulin capacity. > I just wanted to interject here what perhaps many of us already know, which is > that not everybody progresses according to the equations. For example, I’ve had > diabetes for 27 years now, Type 2 (and have always been thin-to-normal weight.) > It probably developed as the result of a course of Prednisone, combined with a > raging infection, but it never fully "went away." I totally ignored the > diabetes until 10 years ago, and have been on orals since then, albeit > progressively adding more types. My only complication thus far showed up 2 > years ago: slight numbness under my toes. I know I’ve been lucky. But my point > is, assuming that I understand the stated progression, by that equation I > should’ve needed insulin at least 15 years ago. It’s important that people pay > attention to the word "average", because if the study included people like me, > then it would also have had to include people who progressed very, very > quickly. To coin a phrase, your mileage may vary. > Regards — > Elissa > Type 2

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sender: "Old Al" > The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They >found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the > average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost >about 50% of their insulin capacity. >I just wanted to interject here what perhaps many of us already know, which is >that not everybody progresses according to the equations. For example, I’ve had >diabetes for 27 years now, Type 2 (and have always been thin-to-normal weight.) >It probably developed as the result of a course of Prednisone, combined with a >raging infection, but it never fully "went away." I totally ignored the >diabetes until 10 years ago, and have been on orals since then, albeit >progressively adding more types. My only complication thus far showed up 2 >years ago: slight numbness under my toes. I know I’ve been lucky. But my point >is, assuming that I understand the stated progression, by that equation I >should’ve needed insulin at least 15 years ago. It’s important that people pay >attention to the word "average", because if the study included people like me, >then it would also have had to include people who progressed very, very >quickly. To coin a phrase, your mileage may vary. >Regards — >Elissa >Type 2

Your case is one of the fascinating ones which does meet one of the medical hypotheses, i.e. ". . .It is thought that we can manipulate the averages by diet, exercise, . . ." Many T2’s hope to "freeze" the progression by losing weight, and/or low carb diets, etc. You seem to be one of the examples which is the basis for this hope. Also, your situation probably violates the rules used to evaluate an "average" progression. Prednisone amplifies bG problems in insulin resistant people, (as does pregnancy). The prednisone could have acted as a special diagnostic marker years before a routine physical would have caught a bG too high because of "Progression". Prednisone as an early warning tool is a fascinating hypothesis in its own right. Perhaps docs should order bG’s whenever they prescribe prednisone for any illness in order to ferret out folks "at-risk" for T2. None of this, of course, detracts from your comments on "average". Regards Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily) A retired engineer who hopes to freeze any progressions detected in his at-risk daughter-in-law or grandson.

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I’ve been following the thread and it seems to me that when I first was diagnosed, I had just put on about 15 pounds and that seemed to be enough to trigger my insulin sluggishness or resistance or whatever,,,,all I know is that after going to a hematologist for over a year FBS each and every month and no mention of creeping up BS it was announced to me one day on a routine visit that I have diabetes. When I think of the harm I did myself by not knowing but I can’t beat up on myself. This is all water under the bridge as they say. The move to Florida-the "early bird specials" where rolls,dessert and all were included with the price of a really nice dinner for very little money, we were retired and ate out often…in those days I ate everything including whipped cream on all the desserts and sometimes eating the left over part of my husband’s dessert as well.

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200 gm of carbs ! !…. holy s*** batman…. that’s too many and NPH sucks…… try to get UL so that you can have an even basal dose for metabolic needs and reduce those carbs so that the Humalog has a chance of catching them i’m t1…… i can eat about a MAX of 150 gm of carbs a day….. and i eat a write me with the NO SPAM removed….. are you in Calgary??? — k t1 14 yr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >You guessed it NPH and … better even,… lets milk them islets till >they squeal with by adding 10mg of glyburide BID and fatten this boy up >with at least 200 gm of carbs too! Whoopeee ! >d. > sounds like you are on NPH from hell, Delbert……. is this correct? > — > k t1 14 yr > >I’m pretty brittle just now (if that term is still in use). Chipping > >at the highs and sugaring the lows. Sorta like purgatory.

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>amplifies bG > problems in insulin resistant people, (as does pregnancy).

You mean my six kids caused my diabetes? I knew they caused gray hair, flabby tummy, aches in the back/heart/mind, etc, but diabetes? Wait until I tell them that! Age 73, type 2 for 10 plus years…

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sounds like you are on NPH from hell, Delbert……. is this correct? — k t1 14 yr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m pretty brittle just now (if that term is still in use). Chipping >at the highs and sugaring the lows. Sorta like purgatory.

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hi blatzo, I don’t think there is any real time frame. For some it is that magic weight you get to that triggers it more than the number of years you have been overweight. (That is what happened to me.) I have an aunt who has been very overweight all her life and just now at age 63 developed diabetes. Some overweight ppl will not get diabetes at all. I know several with fairly normal weights that have type 2. I also know some that are overweight and have been for a long time and recent tests have found NO diabetes. It is very individual and genetic factors play a big roll along with weight. If your friend is worried about getting diabetes the best thing she can do is lose some weight. I know 2 diabetic gals who were very obese and losing 50-80 lbs. still left them very overweight, but with normal blood sugars. Dixie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop > Diabetes? I’ve done some > searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they say > you could have diabetes > up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be > overweight for more then 5-7yrs > to develop it. Right? > any info mucho appreciated > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

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> . . . [snip]. . .My >Endo calls it a "non-classical presentation of Type 1". It was

fast for the first year then a 2 year plateau….even glyburide seemed to work >more or less… now its pickin’ up speed again. . . . [snip]. . .I do have Type 1 relatives and although he explained it isn’t hereditary it does seem to cluster in some families, but there is no explanation as it is "classically an auto-immune disorder" . . . >d.

Not too different from my case (Oops! He’s a T1). Glucophage and the beta stimulators should work for a while for many of the same reasons that they work on T2’s, i.e. T2’s present when they lose too much beta capacity. . .you and I presented when we lost too much beta capacity. Glucophage manages glucose release from the liver which is useful for both types. I was surprised when I first saw the comments that T1 is not hereditary. I was first exposed to T1 by a family in which every child and grandchild of one of the ancestors became T1, all of them adult-onset in their early 20’s to their early 50’s. I thought it worked that way for everybody. Regards Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily)

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arg.. i’m sorry had a brain fart obviously, my friends family has a HUGE history of t2’s her grandfather on mothers side died from complications, and fathers mother passed same way she has 3 aunts that have it also. she is the only one of the 6 kids that is overweight. I’m talking 6′1 at 280 (yes its a woman) as well as she’s been told she glucose intolerant (err think that whats she said.) the doc has her on glucophage now, with no testing. (i already bitched about the testing part). — r. (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop > Diabetes? I’ve done some > searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they say > you could have diabetes > up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be > overweight for more then 5-7yrs > to develop it. Right? > any info mucho appreciated > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

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> hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight?

The only answer, surely, is "it varies from person to person, but the majority of overweight people never develop diabetes". The statistics on weight and diabetes are that the higher a person’s BMI, the higher the probability they will develop diabetes. But there are still some severely obese people who do not develop diabetes, because there is a genetic component, and they don’t have it. But at the bottom of this – why does your friend want to know? If she is thinking "I’ve got x years before I need to do something about my weight", she might as well play Russian roulette. But at the same time, don’t play the guilt card – it is not inevitable that she will get diabetes. I was convinced I was too young to get diabetes, despite my great weight….. till I got it. Barbara

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. .[snip]. . .the doc has . . .with no testing. (i already bitched about the [no] testing part). >r.

Another reason for the existence of the diabetes newsgroups: to give us the know-how to bitch when our friends get obsolete care. Regards Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily)

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<> Another reason for the existence of the diabetes newsgroups: > to give us the know-how to bitch when our friends get obsolete > care.

AMEN~! — r. (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > . .[snip]. . .the doc has . . .with no testing. > (i already bitched about the [no] testing part). >r. > Another reason for the existence of the diabetes newsgroups: > to give us the know-how to bitch when our friends get obsolete > care. > Regards > Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily)

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This is a very different question. A person with a family history of T2 AND a diagnosis of insulin resistance is at great risk for diabetes. Fat or not. My theory is that that person should start acting as if they already have the disease. Food plan and exercise. Then they may stave off diagnosis for as long as possible. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > arg.. i’m sorry had a brain fart obviously, my friends family has a HUGE > history of t2’s > her grandfather on mothers side died from complications, and fathers mother > passed same way > she has 3 aunts that have it also. she is the only one of the 6 kids that is > overweight. I’m talking > 6′1 at 280 (yes its a woman) > as well as she’s been told she glucose intolerant (err think that whats she > said.) the doc has her > on glucophage now, with no testing. (i already bitched about the testing > part). > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!) > hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop > Diabetes? I’ve done some > searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they > say > you could have diabetes > up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be > overweight for more then 5-7yrs > to develop it. Right? > any info mucho appreciated > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

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>Sender: "Old Al" > The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They >found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the > average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost >about 50% of their insulin capacity.

I just wanted to interject here what perhaps many of us already know, which is that not everybody progresses according to the equations. For example, I’ve had diabetes for 27 years now, Type 2 (and have always been thin-to-normal weight.) It probably developed as the result of a course of Prednisone, combined with a raging infection, but it never fully "went away." I totally ignored the diabetes until 10 years ago, and have been on orals since then, albeit progressively adding more types. My only complication thus far showed up 2 years ago: slight numbness under my toes. I know I’ve been lucky. But my point is, assuming that I understand the stated progression, by that equation I should’ve needed insulin at least 15 years ago. It’s important that people pay attention to the word "average", because if the study included people like me, then it would also have had to include people who progressed very, very quickly. To coin a phrase, your mileage may vary. Regards — Elissa Type 2

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But this is about insulin loss that’s AFTER a person becomes diabetic. You asked how long after someone becomes fat do they get diabetes. Not the same question. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks Al.. > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!) > >well.. there has to be some form of an answer, since if your thin then > >become overweight, you dont > >become diabetic overnight. > >there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you > >wake up with it. > >– > >r. > >(T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!) > The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They > found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the > average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost > about 50% of their insulin capacity. > Slide 6 in the speech: > The Progression and Natural History of Diabetes, > at: > http://diabetes.medscape.com/43201.rhtml?srcmp=endo-092801 > given by an Endo at the annual ADA convention this year suggests that: > a. "something" starts, > b. after 5 years "it" starts to damage the arteries, > c. after another 5-7 years, "it" is detected when the symptom > "high bG" arises > These are averages for naive UK subjects. It is thought that > we can manipulate the averages by diet, exercise, and perhaps > metformin, Avandia and Altrace. "It" has a genetic base and is > cued by weight gain and less-than-optimal exercise levels. > Regards > Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily) > A retired engineer who reads up on this stuff because he > is worried about his grandson who inherited a whole bunch of > T2 genes from "the other grandparents"

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Thanks Al.. — r. (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->well.. there has to be some form of an answer, since if your thin then >become overweight, you dont >become diabetic overnight. >there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you >wake up with it. >– >r. >(T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!) > The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They > found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the > average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost > about 50% of their insulin capacity. > Slide 6 in the speech: > The Progression and Natural History of Diabetes, > at: > http://diabetes.medscape.com/43201.rhtml?srcmp=endo-092801 > given by an Endo at the annual ADA convention this year suggests that: > a. "something" starts, > b. after 5 years "it" starts to damage the arteries, > c. after another 5-7 years, "it" is detected when the symptom > "high bG" arises > These are averages for naive UK subjects. It is thought that > we can manipulate the averages by diet, exercise, and perhaps > metformin, Avandia and Altrace. "It" has a genetic base and is > cued by weight gain and less-than-optimal exercise levels. > Regards > Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily) > A retired engineer who reads up on this stuff because he > is worried about his grandson who inherited a whole bunch of > T2 genes from "the other grandparents"

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And all the people that I know with diabetes type ones are skinny malinks loretta America will stand strong and always be the home of the brave and the land of the free..

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> hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop > Diabetes? I’ve done some > searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they say > you could have diabetes > up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be > overweight for more then 5-7yrs > to develop it. Right?

It doesn’t work that way. Some people are overweight for their entire life and never get diabetes. Other people are not overweight at all and get it. — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/

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>well.. there has to be some form of an answer, since if your thin then >become overweight, you dont >become diabetic overnight. >there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you >wake up with it. >– >r. >(T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

The DCCT folks measured some average induction times. They found an average insulin loss of 4% per year, and on the average, a T2 lost control over their bG when they had lost about 50% of their insulin capacity. Slide 6 in the speech: The Progression and Natural History of Diabetes, at: http://diabetes.medscape.com/43201.rhtml?srcmp=endo-092801 given by an Endo at the annual ADA convention this year suggests that: a. "something" starts, b. after 5 years "it" starts to damage the arteries, c. after another 5-7 years, "it" is detected when the symptom "high bG" arises These are averages for naive UK subjects. It is thought that we can manipulate the averages by diet, exercise, and perhaps metformin, Avandia and Altrace. "It" has a genetic base and is cued by weight gain and less-than-optimal exercise levels. Regards Old Al (T1 since 94, 38 units H + U via 4 injections daily) A retired engineer who reads up on this stuff because he is worried about his grandson who inherited a whole bunch of T2 genes from "the other grandparents"

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Thin people get T2 also. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > well.. there has to be some form of an answer, since if your thin then > become overweight, you dont > become diabetic overnight. > there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you > wake up with it. > — > r. > (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!) > > hi all, > > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > > frame is to develop T2 > > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Many many fat people do not get diabetes. So there is no answer to this > at > all. > Jennifer

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>there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you >wake up with it.

Juvenile Diabetes, Type 1, does happen rather quickly. the onset is dramatic and the studies I’ve read say that the immune system turns on the beta cells and they are attacked as antibodies. This process might take a little while to happen, but when it does the symptoms appear rather quickly. A person could possibly do a Glucose Tolerant Test and be absolutely normal one month and then the next month be diagnosed as having Type 1. anna t

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> hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight?

Many many fat people do not get diabetes. So there is no answer to this at all. Jennifer

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well.. there has to be some form of an answer, since if your thin then become overweight, you dont become diabetic overnight. there is even evidence that T1’s loose islet cells over time, its not you wake up with it. — r. (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi all, > I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time > frame is to develop T2 > as to how long she’s been overweight? > Many many fat people do not get diabetes. So there is no answer to this at > all. > Jennifer

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> Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop > Diabetes? I’ve done some > searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they say > you could have diabetes > up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be > overweight for more then 5-7yrs > to develop it. Right?

blatzo, While being overweight is definately counterproductive when one is diabetic and it may help diabetes to manifest itself, it is not the cause of diabetes. (it might be A cause) but being overweight alone will not cause one to develope diabetes. there are bunches of other problems that can come from being overweight. I know a whole bunch of very large folks that are not nor probaably will ever be diabetic. They might well develope heart desease but that another question. Carl D — Sweet Home, Chicago

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hi all, I’ve got a friend that is very overweight, she’s asked me what the time frame is to develop T2 as to how long she’s been overweight? Like once you are "overweight" does it take 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs to develop Diabetes? I’ve done some searching on the web and haven’t been able to find anything. I know they say you could have diabetes up to 7yrs prior to really knowing.. so i’m guessing you’d have to be overweight for more then 5-7yrs to develop it. Right? any info mucho appreciated — r. (T2…… nope fooled another doctor ~!~ T1 (Lantus/H) My Bday Gift!)

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Does anybody know if accutane is a permanent solution to acne, or the acne grows back once you stop taking the medication?

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>Does anybody know if accutane is a permanent solution to acne, or the acne >grows back once you stop taking the medication?

It’s important to know that we have no known cure for acne. Accutane works differently for different people.

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How long does it take for a pimple to form? -Lucky

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6 weeks to 3 months. But you can aggrivate a pimple thats already forming very quickly with sweat/dirt/irritation making it appear quicker, alst longer, and look grosser – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How long does it take for a pimple to form? >-Lucky

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Does anybody know if accutane is a permanent solution to acne, or the acne grows back once you stop taking the medication?

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>Does anybody know if accutane is a permanent solution to acne, or the acne >grows back once you stop taking the medication?

It’s important to know that we have no known cure for acne. Accutane works differently for different people.

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How long does it take for a pimple to form? -Lucky