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> I know I just posted it yesterday, but I reread it today and its so awesome. > Its by Dr. Mark George.  It explains all the new experimental methods to > stimulate the brain for depression (or OCD) and also mentions in Dr. George’s > words:

[...] > generalized seizure occurred (5). However, things will likely change

rapidly > within the next few years. Nobler and colleagues have found that those patients > who go on to respond to ECT have a greater reduction in prefrontal blood flow > immediately following ECT. There thus appears to be anatomic specificity to > where the ECT stimulus is most needed and is most effective for the treatment > of depression. and you also posted in: Antidepressant treatment and the Biolo "Dr. Mayberg looked at individual positron emission tomography (PET) scans of brain-glucose metabolism in depressed and nondepressed patients with Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, and primary unipolar depression.[2] The data show that depressed patients have striking bilateral and frontal hypometabolism in the inferior frontal lobe when compared with matched nondepressed patients. Imaging studies of the anterior insula, a deep limbic structure, also had shown hypometabolism in unipolar depressed patients but hypermetabolism in bipolar patients." When you damage tissue the blood flow to it increases. After a broken knee cap my knee was a lot warmer than the other for quite some time. Has anyone checked whether electroshocks do part of their work by temporarily increasing blood flow to the brain as it sets out to heal damage? Sometimes the swelling in one place might impede blood flow to another place, but the increased blood flow in the first might just out balance the reduced in the other. Are people being given ECT hen perhaps they need treatment for reduced blood flow, ie better nutrition or narrowed coronary or other arteries? From PubMed search electroconvulsive perfusion:    J Affect Disord 2001 Sep;66(1):47-58 SPECT and neuropsychological performance in severe depression treated with ECT.     Mervaala E, Kononen M, Fohr J, Husso-Saastamoinen M, Valkonen-Korhonen M,     Kuikka JT, Viinamaki H, Tammi A, Tiihonen J, Partanen J, Lehtonen J    Department of Clinical Neurophysiology, University Hospital of Kuopio,    70210, Kuopio, Finland    [Medline record in process]    Background: In severe depression, studies of regional cerebral blood    flow (rCBF) by SPECT have not produced uniform results. The    association between changes in SPECT and electroconvulsive therapy    (ECT) has shown somewhat conflicting data. No data are available on    benzodiazepine receptor function SPECT studies in ECT. Methods: Twenty    drug-resistant adult inpatients fulfilling the DSM-IIIR criteria for    major depression were studied by SPECT (rCBF by relative ECD uptake in    all, and benzodiazepine receptor function by iomazenil uptake in five    subjects) before and 1 week after clinically successful bitemporal    ECT. Clinical and neuropsychological test scores were used as    references for the possible changes in SPECT. Results: An increased    perfusion after ECT was observed in right temporal and bilateral    parietal cortices, whereas no reductions in relative ECD uptake were    seen after ECT. Iomazenil-SPECT revealed a highly significant increase    in the benzodiazepine receptor uptake in all studied cortical regions    except temporal cortices. Conclusions: Clinically successful ECT was    associated with changes in vascular perfusion and GABAergic    neurotransmission, providing new evidence for the mechanism of action    of ECT and for the neurobiology of severe drug-resistant depression.    PMID: 11532532, UI: 21423882 —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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The bottom line is they "need" electroshock like they need a hole in the head!!!! extreme position ..sorry!!!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know I just posted it yesterday, but I reread it today and its so awesome. > Its by Dr. Mark George.  It explains all the new experimental methods to > stimulate the brain for depression (or OCD) and also mentions in Dr. George’s > words: > [...] > generalized seizure occurred (5). However, things will likely change > rapidly > within the next few years. Nobler and colleagues have found that > those patients > who go on to respond to ECT have a greater reduction in > prefrontal blood flow > immediately following ECT. There thus appears to > be anatomic specificity to > where the ECT stimulus is most needed and is > most effective for the treatment > of depression. > and you also posted in: > Antidepressant treatment and the Biolo > "Dr. Mayberg looked at individual positron emission tomography (PET) scans > of brain-glucose metabolism in depressed and nondepressed patients with > Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, and primary unipolar > depression.[2] The data show that depressed patients have striking > bilateral and frontal hypometabolism in the inferior frontal lobe when > compared with matched nondepressed patients. Imaging studies of the > anterior insula, a deep limbic structure, also had shown hypometabolism in > unipolar depressed patients but hypermetabolism in bipolar patients." > When you damage tissue the blood flow to it increases. After a broken > knee cap my knee was a lot warmer than the other for quite some time. > Has anyone checked whether electroshocks do part of their work by > temporarily increasing blood flow to the brain as it sets out to heal > damage? Sometimes the swelling in one place might impede blood flow to > another place, but the increased blood flow in the first might just out > balance the reduced in the other. > Are people being given ECT hen perhaps they need treatment for reduced > blood flow, ie better nutrition or narrowed coronary or other arteries? > From PubMed search electroconvulsive perfusion: >    J Affect Disord 2001 Sep;66(1):47-58 > SPECT and neuropsychological performance in severe depression treated with ECT. >     Mervaala E, Kononen M, Fohr J, Husso-Saastamoinen M, Valkonen-Korhonen M, >     Kuikka JT, Viinamaki H, Tammi A, Tiihonen J, Partanen J, Lehtonen J >    Department of Clinical Neurophysiology, University Hospital of Kuopio, >    70210, Kuopio, Finland >    [Medline record in process] >    Background: In severe depression, studies of regional cerebral blood >    flow (rCBF) by SPECT have not produced uniform results. The >    association between changes in SPECT and electroconvulsive therapy >    (ECT) has shown somewhat conflicting data. No data are available on >    benzodiazepine receptor function SPECT studies in ECT. Methods: Twenty >    drug-resistant adult inpatients fulfilling the DSM-IIIR criteria for >    major depression were studied by SPECT (rCBF by relative ECD uptake in >    all, and benzodiazepine receptor function by iomazenil uptake in five >    subjects) before and 1 week after clinically successful bitemporal >    ECT. Clinical and neuropsychological test scores were used as >    references for the possible changes in SPECT. Results: An increased >    perfusion after ECT was observed in right temporal and bilateral >    parietal cortices, whereas no reductions in relative ECD uptake were >    seen after ECT. Iomazenil-SPECT revealed a highly significant increase >    in the benzodiazepine receptor uptake in all studied cortical regions >    except temporal cortices. Conclusions: Clinically successful ECT was >    associated with changes in vascular perfusion and GABAergic >    neurotransmission, providing new evidence for the mechanism of action >    of ECT and for the neurobiology of severe drug-resistant depression. >    PMID: 11532532, UI: 21423882 > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> The bottom line is they "need" electroshock like they need a hole in the > head!!!! > extreme position ..sorry!!!!!

Are there any tests comparing electroshock and corornary bypass, or even angioplasty for effects on depression? What are the relative costs, immediately, and if retreatment is required? Bypass surgery, or other surgery?, may be followed by some depression. Are psychobiological adjustments needed after changed cerebral blood flow resulting from ops? But I think a lot feel much better. Electroshock may reduce depression for a period, so that perhaps suicidal urges in the immediate time are avoided. But later what is the effect? How does the time for the depression to return compare to the time for the brain to heal after shock damage? My damaged kneecap was warmer than the undamaged one for months. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> Did or could they do anything to repair the damaged knee cap?

Yes, the knee cover was opened at the front and criss cross and circular wires were put in the knee cap and removed again after several months. But the knee cap stayed warmer than the other for quite a time after the wires were removed, and physiotherapy had stopped. When the heart muscle is short of oxygenated blood it pumps less. But it can recover when oxygen is replenished. Same with brain activity? I presume when oxygen is in short supply then functioning gets worse, though the area of the brain may not die and turn to scar tissue unless oxygen is completely shut off. If the brain is inflamed by ECT then maybe more blood will flow and some benefit will show to function until the inflammation subsides, after healing/scarring. But what about the extra blood flow to the brain from repaired heart function? Does that mean vitamin therapy/anti-depressive medication may be reduced? There is also the theory that the high blood pressure from the ECT seizure damages the blood brain barrier. So perhaps more folic acid or other nutrients in large molecular weight form could perfuse to the brain. Then when the blood brain barrier formed scar tissue after a few months the depression could be back worse. What are the stats for ECT if you leave out the first several months? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The bottom line is they "need" electroshock like they need a hole in the > > head!!!! > > extreme position ..sorry!!!!! > Are there any tests comparing electroshock and corornary bypass, or even > angioplasty for effects on depression? > What are the relative costs, immediately, and if retreatment is required? > Bypass surgery, or other surgery?, may be followed by some depression. Are > psychobiological adjustments needed after changed cerebral blood flow > resulting from ops? But I think a lot feel much better. > Electroshock may reduce depression for a period, so that perhaps suicidal > urges in the immediate time are avoided. But later what is the effect? How > does the time for the depression to return compare to the time for the > brain to heal after shock damage? My damaged kneecap was warmer than the > undamaged one for months. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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of > Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT)

and of: > A new form of convulsive therapy – > Magnetic Stimulation Therapy (MST) –

Would either of these be given as prevention these days, once a depressive episode had receded? Does anyone have a history of ability at the game of chess, played without having to give everything to it, returning after such? What time period? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> Better treatments for severe refractory depression are needed RIGHT > NOW….today. Not five or ten years from now.

So what is being done about improved circulation? If the circulation is poor is there enough niacinamide getting to bind to GABA receptors? Note ECT affects the GABA receptors. Another article on the newsgroup talks about anti-depression treatment with GABA and niacin(amide). I don’t know about whether niacin (not the amide) binds to GABA receptors, but niacin does open up capilliaries doesn’t it give a bit of a buzz? And some use it to bust cholesterol. So does coronary bypass allow less use of it, and maybe a better brain? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> I have to have my kneecap looked at.  One year ago, while on a combo of > Serzone and WB, I did a split at gas station oil while drizzling, and broke > the fall with my kneecap, and PROMPTLY forgot all about it, even when my > knew swelled and got all hot.. I attributed it to kidney damage on the MEDS > so stopped taking them..but the knee continued to be hot..just like you sya. > for a while..Six months later  I recalled the FALL!  Now a year later…my > kneecap still bothers me…and any weight put on it can swell it…make it > warm again!  Why I was wondering if a damaged knee cap can be repaired..

Interesting. I was wondering if it was the body trying to heal the kneecap skin nerves whcih were cut when the wires were put in.  The left side fo the kneecap has got back some sensation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When the heart muscle is short of oxygenated blood it pumps less. But it > can recover when oxygen is replenished. Same with brain activity? I > presume when oxygen is in short supply then functioning gets worse, though > the area of the brain may not die and turn to scar tissue unless oxygen > is completely shut off. > I think you are right..as I suffer mild asthma from allergies..and it > constricts my lungs, so not enough oxygen getting out…while if I take some > Benadryl…..so lungs/sinuses not so constricted, blocked ..I find that can > sometimes relieve brain fog… > If the brain is inflamed by ECT then maybe more blood will flow and some > benefit will show to function until the inflammation subsides, after > healing/scarring. But what about the extra blood flow to the brain from > repaired heart function? Does that mean vitamin therapy/anti-depressive > medication may be reduced? > There is also the theory that the high blood pressure from the ECT seizure > damages the blood brain barrier. So perhaps more folic acid or other > nutrients in large molecular weight form could perfuse to the brain. Then > when the blood brain barrier formed scar tissue after a few months the > depression could be back worse. What are the stats for ECT if you leave > out the first several months? > So you think ECT causes scarring and damage cutting off the blood and oxygen > supply over the long term..

The way that is written it could mean that long term ECT would do it. But I meant that some time after a course of ECT that the damage which the course had caused, allowing more perfusion, would scar over, bringing the perfusion to worse than before the course of ECT. that lead to necrosis..where the blood/oxygen > supply got totally cut off. >  My son had hip surgery as infant, repair a high fixed dislocated congenital > hip and the scar tissue did cut off the blood/oxygen supply to specialize > cells, in what is called the bone growth center… creating problem of > necrosis..unevenly though…effecting his width,  of leg, and hte formation > of the hip,  but we were fortunate not the lenth.. so was repairable..for > the most part. > I think you got something there,  if ECT is causing scarring,  blood/oxygen > supply gets cut off and if not enough.blood/oxygen finds its way there, > circumventing scarred tissue, the .necrosis of brain cells going to > occurr…unevenly,   probably  cause the oxygen and blood will seek > circumventing ways IN, past and around the scar tissue..

Hmm. Blood itself does not go to the brain – there is a membrane called the blood brain barrier through which the nutrients move. But perhaps you are correct. Immediately after ECT, with a damaged blood brain barrier, perhaps some extra nutreints go through, if it is not just the extra circulation trying to heal the damage. Then as the scarring grows depression will return worse than before. How many suicides occur starting 3 months after ECT?  Perhaps eventually, if no more ECT is given then the blood brain barrier will develop alternative channels. After a very long process the patient will be back to the position somewhat like before the ECT but still needing circulation improved. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> of > Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) > and of: > A new form of convulsive therapy – > Magnetic Stimulation Therapy (MST) – > Would either of these be given as prevention these days, once a depressive > episode had receded? > Does anyone have a history of ability at the game of chess, played without > having to give everything to it, returning after such? What time period?

   Newsgroups: rec.games.chess This story recently moved on the newswires…. Chess players shed light on brain activity By LIDIA WASOWICZ UPI Science Writer         SAN FRANCISCO, May 18 (UPI) – Findings from a study of the mental activity of experienced chess players may ultimately help patients with impaired judgment resulting from brain injury or disease, researchers reported Wednesday.         "Experiments like our chess study are helping improve our understanding of how humans make judgments," said Dr. Jordan Grafman, study author and head of Cognitive Neuroscience Section at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda, Md.         Solving a complex problem requires the coordinated activity of a network of several distinct but functionally interrelated parts of the brain, the scientists reported.         "The findings will ultimately be useful in helping people recovering from brain injuries or diseases that affect problem solving and judgment," Grafman said.         His team used the non-invasive brain imaging technique known as positron emission tomography, or PET, to monitor the activity of brains of expert chess players.         "The cerebral activity in chess playing is an ideal model for identifying parts of the brain used in complex problem solving and for helping us better understand the coordinated work of the brain," he said.         "Imagine yourself as a chess player about to checkmate your opponent. All your knowledge and experience are being retrieved for your next move," he said.         "First, you perceive the pieces on the board and discriminate black from white pieces," Grafman said. "Then, you analyze their positions, identify their value and retrieve the game rules for any move. If you are a skilled player like the 10 subjects in this study, you also recognize specific patterns that signify when you have an advantage over your opponent.         "Finally, you have to analyze the consequences of your potential moves and the countermoves of your opponent."         Using PET – which records the increased use of a radioactive tracer when a part of the brain is activated for a particular task – the scientists separated the steps and identified the parts of the brain used in each.         The black-and-white pattern and the spatial discrimination skills used in chess activate parts on both sides of the brain known to be associated with visual processing.         Rule retrieval activates two parts on the left side of the brain, a small structure deep within the brain associated with indexing memories and a section near the left ear associated with memory storage.         Checkmate judgment activates areas on both sides near the front of the brain crucial for planning and areas in the rear of the brain, important for generating images.         These frontal brain areas may be what Grafman refers to as "managerial knowledge units," similar to other types of storage in the brain but coordinating a large amount of information in a specific sequence. — * Chris Spurgeon       * "You may think it’s a long way to the chemists,   * * * (215)627-1867 (fax)  *    – The Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy         *                                 2001 Google   Linkname: Google Search: ect brain damage "cognitive rehabilitation"         URL:           http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ect+brain+damage+%22cognitive           +rehabilitation%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=7t2p7f%24c86%241           %40dipsy.missouri.edu    Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive [...]      As long as shock continues to be used, it must be followed by      intensive rehabilitation and retraining. This should include      cognitive rehabilitation of the type offered to survivors of other      head injuries, support groups of survivors to share self-      rehabilitation strategies, and job retraining. [...] —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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 > I know I just posted it yesterday, but I reread it today and its so awesome.  > Its by Dr. Mark George.  It explains all the new experimental methods to  > stimulate the brain for depression (or OCD) and also mentions in Dr. George’s  > words:  >  >  "One can envision a day when an OCD patient may have a resting and activated  > brain scan for diagnosis. There would then be a host of anatomically discrete  > options available for correcting the dysfunctional circuits both to treat the  > immediate disease state, and also to strengthen the circuitry so that relapse  > might be prevented."  >  > Replace the word "OCD" with "major depression," "Manic depression" or "paranoid  > schizophrenia." In the future with functional neuroimaging possibly ANY mental  > illness could be more accurately diagnosed this way!  >  > What an awesome way to diagnose and treat mental illness! Instead of the usual  > psychiatric diagnosis methods where youd go in for an office interview and talk  > to your doctor for a while and let them subjectively dx you, youd get a brain  > scan to assess your "brain function" and then the docs would be able to more  > SPECIFICALLY pinpoint what is wrong with you exactly. DAMN what a novel concept  > to treat mental illness!  > Yes more treatment of symptoms rather then causes….

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>> Interesting. I was wondering if it was the body trying to heal the kneecap > skin nerves whcih were cut when the wires were put in.  The left side fo > the kneecap has got back some sensation. > I guess the body tries to heal a damaged knee cap, with or without the help > of wires.. though I dont think my body could heal it…without the wires, > and I am going ot have to get some to help it!

My kneecap had broken completely in two, the upper half rose quite a distance from the lower and would not have knitted by itself. I suppose a well-shaped plaster might have held it close enough to join, or maybe not. > Hmm. Blood itself does not go to the brain – there is a membrane called > the blood brain barrier through which the nutrients move. But perhaps you > are correct. Immediately after ECT, with a damaged blood brain barrier, > perhaps some extra nutreints go through, if it is not just the extra > circulation trying to heal the damage. Then as the scarring grows > depression will return worse than before. How many suicides occur starting > 3 months after ECT? > I didnt realize, ECT causing scarring…

I checked PubMed for ect bbb mri, and some special techniques give an inkling of what happens, in animals at least. I think your theory..a good one, > bout it being short term relief, but long term disaster for Major > depression… > And,  some other things possibly! > one of my childhood girlfriends had epilepsy caused by scar tissue in the > brain at birth, oxygen supply cut off during a badly breach birth.  At age > 35 she went to Canada, and had the scar tissue removed. and the seizures > ceased upon removal of the scar tissue. . > Siezure actiivity is also thought to be the cause of some dx’s in the > bipolar spectrum of disorder as well, especially Explosive rage > disorder…or something like that,

Automatic activity – a form of epilepsy?  and anticonvulsants are popular treatment > for all the disorders in the bipolar spectrum,  makes me think bipolar > disorder might be seizure activity from scar tissue,  so if ECT is > scarring…might set oneself up for bipolar disorder too.. > A very, very, special person to me, had ECT, for depression and then  became > a ghost of his former self, a spectre,  even of his depressed self. . > Beginning about one year after the ECT,  he began attempting suicide, > committing it on his seventh known attempt.

Had he been someone who aspired to be using the mind for work and play? I read somewhere that brain workers suffer more vocational impairment from ECT.  Brain workers should not be subjected to it. > I seek ways out of my recurrent depressions  do not involve that remedy! > Though its never been recommended for me anyway…

Have you tried nutritional angles, www.dadamo.com &c? They might help until circulation is improved. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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>> A very, very, special person to me, had ECT, for depression and then  became > a ghost of his former self, a spectre,  even of his depressed self. . > Beginning about one year after the ECT,  he began attempting suicide, > committing it on his seventh known attempt. > Had he been someone who aspired to be using the mind for work and play? I > read somewhere that brain workers suffer more vocational impairment from > ECT.  Brain workers should not be subjected to it.

   Linkname: Draft Surgeon General’s Report endorses ECT despite evidence           of its dangers<         URL: http://www.ect.org/resources/surgeongeneral/rebuttal.html        size: 351 lines  "Many cases involve losses that prohibit a return to normal activities in the home or at work. Indeed, there are repeated warnings in the literature against giving ECT to individuals who earn their living through mentally taxing work" (Breggin P.R., "Neuropathology and Cognitive Dysfunction From ECT," Psychopharmacology Bulletin 1986; 22:2, 476-482. Valentine M, Keddie HMG, Dunne D, "A comparison of techniques in electroconvulsive therapy," Br J Psychiatry 1968; 114:988-96). —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Automatic activity – a form of epilepsy? > On the other hand… > I personally am finding relief from indulging impulses to repetitive > behaviors  I been having problems suppressing impulses to engage in   in > recent years…  via. the nutritional supplements I taken as a last resort. > Its probable I had a little TS and a lot of ADD all my life.but not being > hyperactive went unrecognized.  And I learned through negative social > interactions. to suppress impulses and compensated for the ADD well enough > for 35 years..to live normal and well. and successfully..most of my life. . > I suffer hypoT and upon entering perimenoupause..this caused or added to > nutritional deficiences resulting in MAJOR and chronic depression last ten > years.and horrific PMS. > SSRI’s were used to treat my MDD and PMS..and added to my problems..as > SSRI’s switched OFF my inhibition systme..that had always enabled me to > suppress impulses to engage in inaane and repetitive behaviors…while doing > little or nothing for my DEPRESSION and PMS. > AFter which I really felt out of control….since I was not in > control…between depression,  emotional lability during PMS…and then > unable to suppress impulse to engage in repetitive behaviors..I knew were > not good to indulge.. > But they kept treating my MDD with SSRI’s anyway..cause my activity wasnt > clinically significant..sigh.. > When they did..I kept getting even worse felt more and more out of > control…spiraling downward knowing no way of regaining control.. > Finally…I stopped the SSRI’s, went to a low carb no sugar diet,  walked, > added.   one by one added nutritional supplements…over the last year > plus…and FINALLY the Depression, PMS, and the impulse to engage in > repetitive behavior and a lot of other things are history or dissipating. > So who knows! > I get akathesia..so my CNS is also upset where the repetitive like > activities are indulged.. > sigh… > I am just so happy to have finally found some relief..to feel I am actually > in control of myself  which I didnt feel when so DEPRESSED  and so long as I > couldnt control my emotions while horrifically pms’ing..and so long as I was > suddently unable to suppress impulses to engage in repetitive behaviors for > the sake of engaging in repetive behavior, etc etc. > Now if I can only do something for the ADD.

Check Don Wiss on alt.support.food.allergies for gluten intolerance. ..brain fog from hypoT.. Low blood pressure? And is it from poor circulation, lack of salt or iron to make the blood, too little pumping heart or what? We are back to my theory. Now if you can get the circulation up do you still need megadosing of nutrients, if indeed you were doing that?  etc..my > kneecap..

Sometimes cider vinegar – a teaspoon or so a day in water, helps the body move calcium to where it ought to be. Then if the kneecap is wrong, does that increase circulation to the extent that other symptoms may not show so much? .movements in my legs…sigh.. Restless legs may be a shortage of folic acid. But my reaction to folic acid seems to have changed recently – get pain in mid back which may be esophageal spasm or maybe something else. I don’t know if the folic acid is now synthesised more excatly so is a smaller molecule than what might be extracted from plants. So it could its know upsets more easily. But check about blood types and diet www.dadamo.com, with attention to secretor/non-secretor status. D’Adamo wants to improve his theories. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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. > Now if I can only do something for the ADD. > Check Don Wiss on alt.support.food.allergies for gluten intolerance.

I found no on topic postings on alt.support.food.allergies, however I found one called alt.med.allergy where very active discussions on allergies are occurring …thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ..brain fog from hypoT.. > Low blood pressure? > And is it from poor circulation, lack of salt or iron to make the blood, > too little pumping heart or what? > We are back to my theory. Now if you can get the circulation up do you > still need megadosing of nutrients, if indeed you were doing that? >  etc..my > kneecap.. > Sometimes cider vinegar – a teaspoon or so a day in water, helps the body > move calcium to where it ought to be. > Then if the kneecap is wrong, does that increase circulation to the extent > that other symptoms may not show so much? > .movements in my legs…sigh.. > Restless legs may be a shortage of folic acid. But my reaction to folic > acid seems to have changed recently – get pain in mid back which may be > esophageal spasm or maybe something else. I don’t know if the folic acid > is now synthesised more excatly so is a smaller molecule than what might > be extracted from plants. So it could its know upsets more easily. > But check about blood types and diet www.dadamo.com, with attention to > secretor/non-secretor status. D’Adamo wants to improve his theories. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> . > . > > Now if I can only do something for the ADD. > Check Don Wiss on alt.support.food.allergies for gluten intolerance. > I found no on topic postings on alt.support.food.allergies, however I found > one called alt.med.allergy where very active discussions on allergies are > occurring …thanks

sorry should be alt.support.food-allergies with dash rather than stop. also check List archives and informative links are accessible at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/chemical-illnet.html Discussions may be mirrored on the Chemical-Illnet Message Board http://www.herc.org/chemical_illnet/discus For automated list assistance (i.e. sign on instructions) send HELP in body of —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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>> > Beginning about one year after the ECT,  he began attempting suicide, > > committing it on his seventh known attempt. > Had he been someone who aspired to be using the mind for work and play? I > read somewhere that brain workers suffer more vocational impairment from > ECT.  Brain workers should not be subjected to it. > He was already in his mid-forties..genius IQ, mercurial entrepreneur and > self made millionaire running 4 different businesses, multi-skilled, > capable, multifaceted personality,  athletic, handsome.. EVERYTHING GOING > FOR HIM  except susceptible to depression then the treatments for it wound > up killing him!.

Do you know anything about the training of his doctors? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Beginning about one year after the ECT,  he began attempting suicide, >> > committing it on his seventh known attempt. >> Had he been someone who aspired to be using the mind for work and play? I >> read somewhere that brain workers suffer more vocational impairment from >> ECT.  Brain workers should not be subjected to it. > He was already in his mid-forties..genius IQ, mercurial entrepreneur and > self made millionaire running 4 different businesses, multi-skilled, > capable, multifaceted personality,  athletic, handsome.. EVERYTHING GOING > FOR HIM  except susceptible to depression then the treatments for it wound > up killing him!. > Do you know anything about the training of his doctors?

Do you think that that topic is a winner at all? How long ago was it? I suppose a lot of ECTed individuals don’t get back the personal force to look into such matters. Well it would include some sort of dominance struggle wouldn’t it? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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